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It’s crazy how one person can make a goat debate video better then espn
@Pepi Roni First of all LeBron never made his teammates better. Kobe never had the help LeBron has. He had Shaq 3 peat amd Pau won in row. LJ quit teams to play with Wade Bosh Kyrie Love AD Russ Melo Dwight etc but still with 4 rings. Let's not forget how they blocked the CP3 trade to play with Kobe but had to allow lebron to play in Miami with Wade and Bosh and Allen. Do some research before spewing nonsense
It's amazing. Everyone compare stats to stats without comparing relative stats. The real stats comparison should be your numbers -in every category- compared to the overall numbers in the game stats. Otherwise stats are significantly in favor for those who play in high scoring games, like today league. Because the entire game has changed. Defense are softer -especially during regular season- teams playing faster and shooting much more per game , which elevate the stats in every category. Not to mention the 3 point shooting that also open space in the middle and increase average point per player. The fact that LeBron is putting better numbers now than the numbers he was putting 8 years ago, it's only indication how much the league has changed, not to his own "greatness".. No one is in the same shape at his 38 as he was in his 30. It's nonsense. The league became much more offense oriented. Look at the overall numbers, look how many "mega stars" we suddenly have. Yes there is also a lot of talents but if everyone is "talented" it mean the game has changed. Jordan averaged over 30 per game in a league that the average score was 94. In today league -with an average of 115, Jordan would have average 37+. Same for assists, rebounds and steals. LeBron longevity at this level is only possible because of the way the league has changed. If any, he should thank Steph curry for that 😂😊
Go see the the "dangerp" Goat camparison. Jordan destroyed Lebron. Lebron shoots 36% from outside shots, his game is layups and dunks, hes a 20% clutch shooter. He shoots free throws at 73% and much more. He got an easy game nobody touches him with the WEAK DEFENSES.
Him. WEAK DEFENSES.
God damn. Going back to this video is insane. This is a literal masterpiece. We love you jimmy. So talented at the craft of making your videos and so measured with your claims, obsessed with reality, essentially perfect
@Robert Jacob Good stats but unfair classification
There is no need to swear to God.. knock it off
@Robert Jacob W fucking list holy shit
01) Michael JordanPlayer Efficiency Rating - 27.9Offensive Rating - 118.0Defensive Rating - 102.8Finals Appearances - 6Championships - 6Finals MVP’s - 602) Lebron JamesPlayer Efficiency Rating - 27.3Offensive Rating 116.0Defensive Rating - 104.0Finals Appearances - 10Championships - 4Finals MVP’s - 403) Kareem Abdul JabbarPlayer Efficiency Rating - 24.5Offensive Rating - 115.5Defensive Rating - 99.3Finals Appearances - 10Championships - 6Finals MVP’s - 204) Magic Johnson Player Efficiency Rating - 24.1Offensive Rating - 120.8Defensive Rating - 104.4Finals Appearances - 9Championships - 5Finals MVP’s - 305) Shaquille O’Neal Player Efficiency Rating - 26.4Offensive Rating - 112.8Defensive Rating - 101.2Finals Appearances - 6Championships - 4Finals MVP’s - 306) Tim DuncanPlayer Efficiency Rating - 24.2Offensive Rating - 109.7Defensive Rating - 95.5Finals Appearances - 6Championships - 5Finals MVP’s - 307) Wilt ChamberlainPlayer Efficiency Rating - 26.1Offensive Rating - N/ADefensive Rating - N/AFinals Appearances - 6Championships - 2Finals MVP’s - 108) Bill Russell Player Efficiency Rating - 18.9Offensive Rating - N/ADefensive Rating - N/AFinals Appearances - 12Championships - 11Finals MVP’s - N/A09) Larry BirdPlayer Efficiency Rating - 23.5Offensive Rating - 114.5Defensive Rating - 101.4Finals Appearances - 5Championships - 3Finals MVP’s - 2 10) Kobe Bryant Player Efficiency Rating - 22.9Offensive Rating - 110.4Defensive Rating - 105.5 Finals Appearances - 7Championships - 5Finals MVP’s - 211) Kevin Durant Player Efficiency Rating - 25.3Offensive Rating - 117.9Defensive Rating - 105.9Finals Appearances - 4Championships - 2Finals MVP’s - 2 12) Stephen Curry Player Efficiency Rating - 23.9Offensive Rating - 117.9Defensive Rating - 107.2Finals Appearances - 6Championships - 4Finals MVP’s - 1
To make a case for Jordan’s dpoy not being a big argument, he had a drtg of 101.4. The year bron almost won it he had a drtg of 100.9 and the year prior his drtg was 97.3. Mjs best drtg year was 99.4
@Afam Basil MJs teams have had the luck of health on their side in the finals, can’t say the same for bron. MJs teams top to bottom were better than all their finals opponents, can’t say the same for bron. Brons era is miles ahead of MJs era when it come to skill. In 2007 the spurs series plan, as said by Tim Duncan, was to double/ triple team bron every chance they got cause they knew his teammates weren’t gonna do anything to beat them. Bron played against the best team of all time twice and his team couldn’t come to close to being on an equal level with them. Bron has had it much tougher than MJ point blank.
@naturalshit well being longer, faster, and just as if not more athletic and add having good defensive instincts and ability yes that would automatically make you a better defender. And statistically bron peaked higher defensively than MJ. I would say brons peak in 2012-2013 was better since he could score at will, make the right plays, was still at peak athleticism, and still played great defense. No one could stop him period.
@Icebeeball Apart from rebounding what else does made Rodman bulls special??Scottie pippen with all due he's good even at defending as said contributed a lot... but why is MJ 3rd in all times steals?? why is MJ on par with Pippen in blocks?? why is Pippen just slightly ahead of MJ in rebounding?? Why does MJ has the BEST PER EVER?? Why does MJ has a DPOY and he doesn't??MJ was the beast on both ends of the court I'll say the best all around player.Larry Bird an elite trash talker called him god the fact MJ avg 40 against the 80's Celtics. He was alone in a team with no great history (no chips) going against dynasties (Lakers Celtics Pistons 76ers) and still made his presence felt. His greatness was long coming and inevitable. At the end of the day bball is a team sport when give MJ an all star or a player with an all star potential game over. Any elite player on that bulls team will thrive I'll even say put AD on the bulls with Jordan and they'll 3 peat again. No they'll 5 peat that's too much greatness on one team.
@Afam Basil Tougher road? It's lebron kiddo, again jordan never faced a better team than the celtics big 3
You only concluded the goat debate for "best goat debate video". Amazing talent you got man. Hats off from Jordan (the country) 😂
Just put them into eras. Gives past goats their places in time. You can't pick one over all since the game evolves too much and they never all faced each other in their primes. Give all the goats their place.
@Ari Pangelinan Then lets just call it MJ - because he revolutionized the sport more than any other man. He made it international.
Exactly Goat means one I hate when ppl make it like a few could be 🤦♂️
That’s one of those men never once called himself the goat because he respected those who came before him
Yeah Goat literally is reserved for one person…
Wouldnt be called goat at that point... more like gota (greatest of thier era)
At least there's no debate that Jxmy is the goat of NBA PLclip.
@jim campbell wtf
Awww so cute.
You mean Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Yeah I agree. Not even close really. His videos give me chills with the level of detail, the research put into them, and Jxmy’s storytelling ability.
I’m really confused by the VORP stat, can someone help. Everywhere I read, LeBron has the highest career VORP, yet this video rates Michael higher in that aspect
@Nick Pagano Well its about who is the best, not who played the longest. The fact that MJ achieved more in less time speaks volume.
yeah he messed that up. Bron has the highest VORP by a mile.
@When Is dinner yes but why would you dismiss a cumulative stat? how is longevity not relevant?
@When Is dinner yeah if u remove lebron aged 18 to 20 and 35+ seasons his higher.
Value over replacement is a cumulative stat. Per season Jordan rates higher. Jordan rates higher in literally everything.
My only thing is overall league skill is significantly higher in lebrons time. Evolution in sports definitely exists. Why that’s important context for me: Jordan gets labeled the better defender, but who did he have to guard? No one in his era had handles or an advanced jumpshot, whereas everyone today does. Jordan never had to worry about crossovers or step back 3s (or 3s in general), he rarely had to guard anybody outside of the midrange area. In todays game you can’t leave superstars open past halfcourt. You put lebron in previous eras and his size and speed gives him significantly more dominate impact then he does now. Jordan was better in terms of being better than his competition, but in terms of best of all time, you remove that current comp context. You take individual skill sets and attributes and to me lebron is just a bigger faster stronger Jordan 🤷🏻
@anon Competition was really bad not the goat
Don't forget jordan also has the best teamates in the 90s he expected to win
@Gary From the vault moe Williams, illgaskus, gooden
well at 50 he beat a modern #2 draft pick so i would say he would be able to defend modern players
Na, Jordan and its not even close, plclip.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/wideo.html
The winners write the history. No matter how good you were. Doesn’t matter if you lost. It’s about performance In the process of winning.
@Robert Jacob you need to consider context
@silly goose dude the original guy legit just said that all that matters is winningadding context to lebron, he faced the gsw and spurs dynasty and had less help like what
Whick is wrong lebron is clearly better
when discussing the best losing matters
If LBJ had half of what MJ had we wouldn't even be talking about this. He don't and never has or will
Kenton having more 3 throws than MJ fact is incorrect by the way
Can he go back in time and be 6-0 in the finals....ok then can he magically become a 9-time all defensive 1sy player?
@When Is dinner jordan had a superteam pippen rodman kukoc are hall of famers while playing bad competition
@FactsOnlyPodcast And that player will need at least 4-5 NBA championships and 4-5 Finals MVP’s. I don’t see it happening. They will need those and break the scoring record. And then yeah you could argue that player could be the next GOAT. Over MJ and LBJ. I don’t see it happening.
@Last Jedi Jordan was allowed to join super teams he'd have 12 rings
@Budha Anytime someone defends LeBron even if they argue Jordan is better (which is what I'm doing by the way) they are retarded in you Jordan Worshippers eyes. You don't need to be scared 75% of NBA fans still think Jordan is better.You also don't need to lie. Magic, Bird, Isiah NBA careers ended in 92. They were old and slowing down. I never said they were terrible. Also nobody cares about Nick Wright. You Jordan Worshippers act like he's some evil villain and you treat Skip Bayless as your God. I'm just stating facts. You guys just watch the 1st Space Jam movie all day and stare at MJ playing with the Looney Tunes. Like bro it's over MJ retired way back in 2002.
@Renaldy Calixte bruh you really need to look up the ages of isiah and magic in 1991, they were only 30-31 sure bird was 35, but was still considered of the best shooters in the league if not the best shooter. So what do you mean old? The avg age of the magic lakers, bird celt or the detroit pistons wasnt old stop suckin up what nick the rat says and actually look up the teams instead of parroting, it makes you look retarded, but after that comment i aint sure if you acting or just are.. and barea wasnt dirks teamate? You should check the 2011 roster of the boy.
By your logic, the GOAT is, without any shred of doubt, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. If he had stayed to 1991, which he totally could have given his ridiculously good condition in his 20th year, the Lakers beat the Bulls for Kareem's 7th, and by that point he is obviously over 40,000 points with a shot they never could block, and never would now.
Shoulda coulda woulda
And lebron would still get that #1 leading scorer .
This is without a shadow of a doubt the GOAT video on PLclip made on the nba goat debate! Take a bow brother, you couldn’t have made a better video!
This is the best video video I have ever seen about a goat debate without being a whole essay, very impressive, you always surprises and I love your content
Top 10 Greatest Basketball Players of all time.10. Scottie PippenTotal Championships: 69. Shaquille O’ Neal Total Championships: 4Total MVPs: 18. LeBron JamesTotal Championships: 4Total MVPs: 47. Tim Duncan Total Championships: 5Total MVPs: 26. Kobe BryantTotal Championships: 5Total MVPs: 15. Larry BirdTotal Championships: 3Total MVPs: 34. Magic JohnsonTotal Championships: 5Total MVPs: 33. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Total Championships: 6Total MVPs: 62. Bill Russell Total Championships: 11Total MVPs: 51. Michael Jordan Total Championships: 6Total MVPs: 5
@Micah Atkins Lebron is by far the GOAT.. Jordan played for a long ass time.. 18 or 19 years. He only made all NBA 11 times Jordan spent half of his career losing year after year after year in the very first round And wasn’t even making the all NBA list until he got Scottie pippen this guy is literally bringing up “advanced stats” like PER boban marjonovic has the highest PER of all time those advanced stats are useless You could be efficient in 10 minutes and have super high advanced stats Real stats matter Like points per game, assists per game, blocks, rebounds All that random shit like PER and VORP are for nerdy analytics guys. Analytics ruin the nba lol. They use like fractions and try to determine the best player by advanced metrics that aren’t even real life. Boban has the best advanced stats that exist And teams don’t even want him. Jordan played till he was 39. Lebrons 38. Jordan entered the league at 20 Lebron entered at 18. In Jordan’s era zone defense wasn’t even allowed Everyone had to be “man covered” one on one. Zone defense is what ALL teams use today and is far superior, guys like lebron and Giannis could score 59 a game back then with man defense. Zone defense became allowed after shaq Because the rules Jordan played with made shaq too OP Shaquille O’Neal made the NBA allow a bunch of other forms of defense. Because nobody could one on one stop Shaquille O’Neal And they’ve stayed ever since. Dudes like lebron, Giannis and shaq would have even better numbers than they do if they played with the same rules as Jordan, and wilt and magic and all those guys. That’s something nobody talks about. You had to man check. Then shaq came and there was literally no way to stop him so they changed the rules. The NBA changes the rules FOR Jordan to make it easier for him. And they changed the rules for shaq to make it harder for him. That’s why I think shaq is a top 4 player all time. Lebron would’ve been the same way. Unstoppable, Lebron is better than Jordan by far and has better stats and is just overall greater he’s the goat
@Kostas Papas some people watch videos on 2x
@C. Thomas This video shows Jordan's "flaws" but none of Lebron's "flaws" to give him a chance of being GOAT. Even though the PLclipr already said its too late previously. Its the same kind of fake/dishonest angle you get from ESPN/TV.This PLclipr will never believe any further championship Lebron gets counts because he feels Lebron relies on custom superteams to look good. That makes this video quite dishonest to appeal to Lebron fans. He contradicted his own opinions which lead me to question if he believes half of what he said in this videi. Once again, no different from ESPN.
@C. Thomas ESPN is a business. They create back-and-forth debates even if for opinions they may not fully believe. This PLclipr creates content that appeals to his specific fanbase
How can u hv a goat that got swept twice in the finals?.longeverty or not thats pretty bad.
People like to ignore that bro. They say he was outmatched and it was unfair. Yet little AI was a huge underdog against Shaq\Kobe and still managed to win a game.
You must of forgot. Mike played at a high level at 40 yrs old. Neither Kobe or LeBron played n the NBA at 40. If LeBron is still doing the same at 40 and still n the NBA (GOAT)
the age is less important than total minutes played i.e. wear and tear
Now that I look back on it, get fucking ratiod in the PLclip comment section
Neither Mike or kobe were even close to lebrons level in their 20th season. Lebron has alot more mileage on his legs and his offensive production hasn't slowed a bit.Lebron has played 420 more games than mike as of now. Just thought that was cool lol
@Willie Cage why u laughin dawg
@The Big Card 😂
I grew up in ‘90s Chicago. The GOAT debate isn’t a debate to me.But with that said, longevity is a skill and capability in and of itself. The grind of an NBA season can’t be overstated. And LeBron has done it keeping his nose clean and staying out of trouble. LeBron has my infinite respect for those reasons.
@Icebeeball Ok...I'll get the popcorn and watch you and the Jordan stans get it poppin in the comments. That'll be entertaining. 😂
@Renaldy Calixte Lebron is better I don't care about jordan groupies I want all the smoke
@Icebeeball LeBron is not better than MJ...but if that's your opinion than you are free to have it just beware of easily butthurt MJ Worshippers.
And lebron is clearly better than jordan
@When Is dinner No its full of guys wanting to stay healthy during their peak years so they can win a championship. They don't want to end up like Kobe the last 4 years of his career.
The reason Jordan is the GOAT for me is, no other athlete in modern history has inspired so many others across all walks of life to dream of what might can be if you give maximum effort, the way that Jordan has done it. From his style of play, his insane ability to hang in the air and make unimaginable shots, to his desire, drive and passion to conquer every obstacle in his path, and never give up when things are down, and achieving victory against all odds EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN IT COUNTED THE MOST. EVERY TIME the Bulls won the title, wasn't because Michael Jordan won it by taking the last shot. Each time the Bulls won was because Michael Jordan was the most intelligent player on the court. He made the right defensive stop, the right pass, and in some instances key shots that put they're opponents away for good. Combine an unmatched basketball I.Q., once in a lifetime athleticism, insane instincts, a drive for dominance that left most on the floor in awe when they played with him or against him, there never was, and there never will be a champion like Jordan. Jordan was the inspiration for most modern NBA players to have the massive following and success they do today. From all the major endorsements (shoe deals, movie appearances, automotive deals, underwear, etc.), to representing the USA on the biggest athletic stage, and everything in between, Jordan is the blueprint for every modern NBA player in recent history. When any of them were first asked entering the league who inspired them the most, and who they looked up to, ALL of them said MICHAEL JORDAN!!! A.I., Kobe (R.I.P. Mamba, a GOAT in your own right. The CLOSEST we have seen to Jordan, even over LeBron!), Durant, LeBron (the King HIMSELF!!!), and many others I haven't mentioned. Even GOATS from other sports have said Jordan was their inspiration - a la the Great Tom Brady, Ladies and Gentlemen. The cultural impact this man had on the world was only rivaled by the likes of Michael Jackson (R.I.P.), Muhammad Ali(R.I.P.), Princess Diana(R.I.P), The Rock, Arnold, and Sylvester Stallone. Other than that, it's a rap for me. Even LeBron wears the number 23, and remade Space Jam( which FLOPPED!!! Unlike the original.). Imitation is the best form of flattery, but nothing beats an original. When Jordan played, you had no doubt he gave it all he had, and left everything on the floor, whether he was on a losing team (as he was often in the beginning of his career), or not. And that, for me, is what separates him from LeBron. There have been times in his career where LeBron quit on his team because his teammates were playing poorly. You have NEVER seen that from Jordan!!! The man was driven to obsession to dominate and WIN!!! You CAN'T honestly say that about LeBron in his career. That's why Jordan is 6-0, and LeBron has more Finals losses than wins. You can role your eyes all you want at the championships debate, but it is what it is. Jordan never lost when it counted the most, because he never gave up. You can't say that about LeBron. So who would you rather have as your GOAT?
@Miguel Baptista y'all mfs talk like basketball is a one man sportU think would have won with Smith and love,?
@µshot_singer you are mental, bulls defense would lockdown gsw
@Miguel Baptista Against the Golden State Warriors? Yes, Michael would lose every single time with the roster he had.
@Christoph Jüntgen Yeah bron played 4 times against GSW and lost 3 of them one was 4-0. Do you really think jordan would loose in the finals?
jordan also didnt have to play against 2015-2018 GS Warriors
Honestly, this was the most accurate and objective GOAT debate I've seen. I totally agree with your point with mike being the greatest but at the same time giving Lebron the opportunity to become the greatest (I think it would take a couple o more chips at least). That's pure basketball content right here.
@Peter Comino Yes but Lebron only leaves a team when he feels they aren't as competitive. He's not leaving and rebuilding shitty teams. He's going to either well established teams, with a lot of capital, or moving to a team that has a super team ready for him. People like you don't understand the ring argument btw. Rings are the #1 thing for the GOAT conversation. If you are honestly going to say they aren't that important, well then that's just another reason why the league is worse nowadays. Sports are about winning. As soon as that is overshadowed, the sport loses it's legitimacy. Jordan isn't called the GOAT just for his rings. He's called the GOAT because of his 6 rings, undefeated, on top of his personal accolades, of which he has more than Lebron. I'm not talking about career totals. I'm talking about MVPS, all defensive teams, rings, scoring titles, def player of the year. He has more than Lebron, as Bull, on 11 healthy seasons, vs Lebron's roughly 19 seasons. If you don't understand that, you're out of your mind. Contrary to what people, who have no clue as to what they are talking about, he was also more well rounded than Lebron. He played both sides of the court, and was a better rebounder. Yes Lebron has rebounds per game, but Lebron is a forward and even played as pf for the Heat. Jordan has more offensive rebounds per game as a guard. If you ever played basketball, then you know defensive rebounds are WAY easier, you start with the better position to rebound vs offense. If you're a forward, you're closer to get boards than a guard a lot of the time, especially as a pf in which you are literally standing under the hoop. Jordan was also objectively a better defender, in objectively a more physical time. He was the best defending guard, and offensive player during his era. There really is no debate here.
@JO BIN Hahahah yep bill Not goat I said that because Only because u have chips you’re not the goat the argument that Jordan has 6 chips and lebron 4 chips is bullshit yk
@JO BIN the ring argument doesn’t make sense, other players have more, that doesn’t matter to people who give the nod to Jordan. The fact remains, Lebron has 4 with 4 finals mvps and 3 on different teams.
@Salvation Through Jesus or Eternal Hellfire charles barkely had way too many chips and see where that got him?
@Suppressed VIII all good mate. Too be fair though I think the biggest problem lebron has is his open political opinion and tweets about things. I think he gets a lot of hate so people are quick to write him off.
The main difference between the two for me is a feeling.... grew up watching every single jordan game ever. LeBron is amazing. Jordan changed the game, society, even the world in a way that made you feel close to his greatness... an athlete above Ali, Football and base balls greatest... the icon of icons. For me it will always be MJ
Ali? You crazy
Jordan and Tom Brady are the 2 greatest I seen in my 43 years
I really appreciate the work you put in on this video and for this debate. I feel you've settled the argument in a manner that is satisfying for the time being.
Jimmy, thank you from Italy 🇮🇹 Great and (almost 🙂) perfect job 👍🙏but .... actually...there's no debate😌 and exactly for the reasons you said: there's difference between being the strongest, the best, and the greatestRandom observations:1) Michael actually played 12 seasons:you cannot consider the 95 as a season, as well as the 2 years at Wizards2) more important.... How can you consider LeBron the greatest of all time if he's been it barely of his same years?Late 00's: Kobe2011: Dirk2014: Kahwi2017-18: Kevin Durant2019--21: GiannisIn every phase of his career, LeBron not only didn't win on a team level, but was also legitimately contested on an individual level, and in most cases by players of his own roleJordan was never shadowed by any player of his role and, at his peak, by any other player in general3) it's a faulse myth that Jordan had better teams around him ....it's exactly the contrary!!Jordan has never had anyone able to take the ball in the 4th quarters or to average at least 20 in the Finals.LeBron had:- Wade, Bosh and Allen in Miami- Irving and Love in Cleveland- AD in Los Angelesall players with huge quantity of points in their hands, and able to take the last possession, to whose LeBron gladly used to let it by purpose.That's a huge difference.1st threepeat Bulls were pratically trash beside MJ and Pip, and also 2nd threepeat ones are highly overrated: they were just ordinary/low role players4) another big difference is the quality and the technic of their game:Jordan is the best player ever in at least 5-6 aspects of the game .....midrange, post moves, penetration, fadeaway, reverse, artistry.He literally invented 3-4 of them.What is LeBron the best at??How can a goat not be the best in any single aspect?5) you could appreciate this Lebron's lackage of technical excellence in his international experience.....poor at Athen 2004, and very average at Bejing 08 and London 2012, saved in the latter two cases by old Kobe vs Spain, with LeBron not able to do much.6) Michael has been a game changer, both in & outside the court....LeBron hasn't7) LeBron has got Michael's shirt's number8) in Italy .... my mother, my grandmother, my uncles knew Michael...and those were times without pay-tv, and Usa sports were only for a fewNowadays if you ask whoever woman, nobody knows LeBron in Italy9) the defence ..... Michael is the greatest defender ever in his position....costantly in the 1st defensive team while being the top scorer10) the artistry ......LeBron is beautyful to watch of course, but for he's big.He doesn't do moves the others have not.Michael is pure beauty, and he did unmatchable things 11) single epic Moments.....How many memories do we have from Michael? Uncountable!Starting from the dunk contest in 1985, to the 63 points in 86, the ASG in 88, the shot in Cleveland in 89, the move in Finals 1991, the shrug game in 1992, the bucket to Nets in 1993, the 41 points Finals series in 93, the flu game in 97, the final shot in 98About LeBron I can name only the block on Iguodala at that level 12) last but not least ... the eye sensation .....without numbers, without stats ..... Close your eyes for a moment and answer yourself this question:Who's the greatest? We all know the answer 🙂👍LeBron Is incredible, tough.....worthy of all credits.The problem is what you yourself said: in basketball there's has been the perfect career and the perfect player
The Classic Michael Jordan.
Man you are so good at this Jxmy, Top 5 talent on PLclip hands down
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All MJ fans sooo happy lol
@Ayo A. You are the one who got offended and in your feelings by my comment bud.
@Andrew Todd chill smh its just a compliment no need to get all in yo feelings jus cuz he thinks his content is nice
@Andrew Todd top 5 NBA content
The debate settled in 1 video
That point doesn't exist for me, where sustained 95% excellence trumps Jordan's shorter brighter light. BECAUSE, I think it's like a hyper car achieving speeds over 250 mph. The effort required to get higher is not linear, I don't believe the effort/essence to be the goat is linear either. When you get to 250 ish, it is soooo much harder to add another 50 mph. Weird analogy, but I'm sticking with it! That difficulty to gain that extra 5 percent is just as hard to measure the difficulty of the longevity at 95% as good. But wait! "95% as good" nuff said!
@Jeremy Bellow like when he take a break 2 times thats not giving up?
Bro what you saying isn't making any sense because that doesnt even fit lebron's play style. Lebron is great at getting to the finals and losing. MJ was great at everything he had no weaknesses and he never gave up in games.Lebron only for as many records because of not playing as hard so he can last longer. That is all. So what he went to the finals a lot.but you know what happens in the finals there is only one winner and he lost a bunch. Showing up and showing out in the finals is what matters not making it and losing in the finals. No one cares about how many finals appearances he has
@Jeremy Bellow everybody is giving LeBron James his longevity points but that's the only points he gets...
The better analogy is I've seen.
Your talking no sense trying to justify the fact that MJ is better in every category and not only that has 6 rings with the same team. Didn't hop team to put a together all star teams to make it to the finals
The finals 6-0 record by Jordan argument is not how jimmy highroller attempts to straw man it.Rather it is the following:Jordan and Lebron are so close statistically and in accomplishments (awards ect…) and skill wise the next following measure is the. Applied:Did you win? And I mean did you win championships. That is the only purpose of playing a team sport: to be the best team.And that answer is objectively Jordan and the bulls. Over Lebron’s cavs, heat, and lakers
not only that, lebron stacking a superteam like a little bitch to win titles is a big minus. not a very goat-ish thing to do. and also, who was the alpha in the olympic team? sure wasn't lebron. that was Kobe's team. it's fucking comical that this is even a discussion.
This is the best video that I’ve seen on this topic. It’s refreshing to listen to well-reasoned arguments based on facts and logic. I’ll always take that over chest-pounding emotional outbursts that are usually fueled by someone’s personal bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.
Hell of a video man, the research is always spot on
Can’t wait for another “sent into the shadow realm” video
My take: Mike is the goat because he is (and will always be) the man who took the NBA and all of basketball to new level. The whole meaning of basketball changed with him. Same goes for Federer in tennis, which is why I consider him the goat of tennis - not Nadal or Djokovic.
You cannot be the GOAT if you are the best player of another team's dynasty. If you are the best player, why do you keep on losing despite of the privilege you have to create your roster? Lastly, you can't be a goat if you can't shoot free throws...
This is one of the best GOAT videos I have seen. One thing that wasn't focused on as much as I thought you could of was the longevity of LeBron. Because he has played for so long you would expect more points from him. I think averages are the way to go.
One thing I don't see come up as often (Although is probably reflected in some of those higher stats) is how Jordan got fewer points in the seasons he won the championships. Like it isn't a stat but "working with a team in a team sport" is something that counts a lot for me.
Man, this felt like a 4-hour documentary when in reality it was 15 minutes. Keep up the awesome work Jxmy!
Damn some of yalls lack basic comprehension skills. like for real
@Jack Barnes when tf did he say that?
It does feel kind of long. And your comment made me more impatient too.
@Jack Barnes I did not feel the video it dragged on. Ik I probably worded that wrong but I meant all the information he put in the video in a short time period just felt like it was a documentary. Sorry if my wording was wrong there.
u tripping fym it felt like 4 hours?? it felt like 15 mins
People tend to compare MJ vs LeBron based on MJ's strengths, not LeBron's. For ex, it is pointed out that MJ won one DPOY, but no mention that LeBron led NBA in assists one year. They don't compare rebounds/assists, because that wasn't really in MJ's game, like LeBron. Sports Analysts made a big deal out of Chris Paul being first to score 20k and 10k assists, but when LeBron got to 10K assists, it was 20k pts/10k assists, when he actually has almost 40k pts, 10k assists and 10k rebounds.
Really love this perspective on the GOAT debate!! I think it's the most accurate and valid take on this conversation I've ever heard!! Kuddos and thank you!
It's not even a debate. 6 for 6. MJ is the goat.
As a basketball fan and player, I'm lucky enough to have watched both of them play. (plus kobe, Shaq, tmac, Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, etc.) Unless you witnessed it, you will not understand how far above and beyond MJ was over everyone. It's no diss to LeBron. One of the best ever. Maybe even 2nd. He just didn't have that "killer" instinct that Jordan had. Jordan would routinely go 1 on 5 and dunk on a 7 foot center while being clotheslined. Fouls that would have the whole other team ejected and banned in today's game. Then he'd do it again on the next play. Entire game plans and strategies had to be developed to try to stop one person. (Jordan Rules). And these were unethical and borderline illegal. Jordan was unbelievable. By the time LeBron came along, we had already seen someone do what he was doing on a whole other level. That's why most NBA guys pick Jordan. Nobody can ever change anyone's mind who watched them both play. I wish them both nothing but good health and success going forward.
@Fade i don't get what you mean?
If not for a bad back and the untimely demise of len bias (who could've helped bird win more championships), larry legend would definitely crowd mj in the goat debate. Both had the KILLER instinct, as you mentioned. They hated to lose, and always looked for ways to win. Overall i think bird is more skilled. But clearly mj accomplished more, and again for me, part of that is bec of larry's failure to maximize his career (or the 'longevity' that kareem, bron, kobe had)
Well said. The highlights in this video back this up. LeBron dunking vs little to no defence, MJ dunking on defenders constantly
@Tom W. if he hasn't then why hasn't he won as many titles and why hasn't he been ever better than him
@Dayra It did in the case of kareem. Remains to be seen if bron could do the same. After all, mj did edge out kareem even if the latter had longevity. Let's see if bron has more, to likewise eclipse mj
You know Jimmy is good when his videos literally change the way people (including other PLcliprs) see basketball. Take your crown King Jimmy 👑
@Bryan Chandler i was speaking hyperbolically. Obviously, almost everything has happened once
@RemyKingKen but to say no one ever has in and of itself is naive. Most people don't have their opinions changed by a single video but that doesn't mean it never happens it just means it's rare
This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video plclip.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/wideo.html
@RemyKingKen I'd glad to look at those ancient sources. (Not saying they don't exist, but I'd like to have a chance to look at it, so if you have even ideas of what to look for?).And about the gospels, as I said, they were written long long time after his "life".(again, like 400 years, only through oral transmission ?)Of all the known writers of the period jésus is supposed to have existed, not one ever mentionned him, which seems weird if he had been that important...If as you said it was just that a guy named jesus got crucified at that period (I really doubt that archives are that specific, but I could be wrong), I'm not sure you necessarily have to conclude that it was that miraculous guy .
@Winston Smith the third the crucifixion of a man name Jesus is attested by multiple ancient sources, none of which include the Bible. But if you do, you have 4 separate gospels alluding to that same thing. Even if his story’s are tall tales a person named Jesus was crucified around that time meaning he did exist
Wow! with a discussion like that, your point is beyond contestation. I am a diehard fan of MJ but with you putting it the way you did. I'm pretty much convinced that Lebron really has a chance to be the GOAT with the metrics you provided before he actually retires. You covered pretty much everything there is to cover in the GOAT debate. Hats off and and hands up. You're a genius man. But HERE'S MY PROBLEM as a fan. when all has been said and measured and all of MJ's stats had been broken. The truth is, I won't even care about all the stats, accolades, longevity etc. For me, i consider MJ the GOAT simply because every time I watch his videos, I can't help watch in owe how poetic, graceful, magnificent, brilliant, and perfect he is in the court...not even these words could describe my feelings while watching his Airness. There is that sense of constant excitement and marvel. I've watched Lebron several times, and he is a force to reckon with in the court. He is no doubt the best contender for the GOAT title. But while watching him, I don't get that same feeling of excitement and owe like when i'm watching MJ yeah maybe during crucial games but that's just it. At the end, is it really the NUMBERS that decides the GOAT or the FANS themselves who elevate the player on top and even beyond greatness: ) I guess you can only tell who the GOAT is, after we are all gone. Sad, but that's when we will trully know who's stories will prevail in the hearts and minds of the majority of people ...that of MJ or that of Lebron.
I’m on LeBron’s side, MJ is #2 for me in All time, but I share your opinion that the GOAT is who the fans decide it to be. And that brings us to one point. There is more than one GOAT. There are GOATs
Great piece, only thing not really given due consideration is the conditions (or more specifically, rule set) under which each player participated. From an offensive perspective, MJ should have undoubtably been statistically superior today than he was in the 80/90’s due to the changing rule-set and focus on offensive play in officiating. Still…. Awesome video and breakdown - best I’ve seen!
So let just say Jordan is the GOAT , does this video say that LJ is the 2nd best player? So Kobe is really far away from Jordan and LJ?
Yes Kobe is really far away. His career is very overrated.
Great video - first video I watched from you and it’s a banger. Anyway, Lebron just dropped 47-9-10 on his 38th birthday 🤯
The difficulties of this GOAT debate is the fact that each player played in different eras with different rules and rule changes. I have to just appreciate each player for what they did in their individual eras
@YUH WAHN dude I just named brons per game stats (not career stats) that are better the jordan...has nothing to do with longevity.....which is even more amazing because LeBron averaged better per game numbers than Jordan for a longer time. Yeah I really don't need to be talking to you anymore.. all the awards you named are all subjective voted awards 💀🤡... They are less meaningful than NBA finals trophies. How many assists did Jordan have how many rebounds did Jordan have how many blocks did Jordan have oh yeah LeBron has better stats. If LeBron just focused on scoring like Jordan did he would have way more scoring titles but LeBron does more for his teams than Jordan ever did. Translated into titles Bill Russell's the goat then with your ideology. And to be honest it is funny how you said the individual stats don't mean anything. Yeah okay then Robert horry better than Jordan with seven titles 🤡💀😂. You sir are a fool
@anon Individual stats don't mean to me if not translated into rings or scoring titles or awards given by the NBA. Where would Lebron be without longevity compared to Jordan? Jordan without rings has 1 more season MVP, 1 more DPOY, 9 more scoring titles, 3 more steal titles, 3 more all-defensive first team, 2 slam dunk champions, 3 all-star MVP etc. than Lebrons 20 years NBA career and counting. So its about efficiency, NOT longevity.
@YUH WAHN finals averages. LeBron 55 games 28.4 points 10.2 rebound 7.8 assists. Jordan 35 games 33.6 points 6 rebound 6 assists... Who's the better player? Thought so....LeGoat
@YUH WAHN what do you mean achieved more then LeBron? LeBron leads in all major categories per game (not career stats) stats than Jordan... Jordan just average three more points than LeBron. LeBron is a better player. Rings don't mean shit to me it's a team sport. This ain't tennis or golf... You want to see who the better player is go to their individual stat lines. Jordan didn't have JR Smith fucking him up. Not to mention LeBron played the Spurs and warriors seven times. Jordan never even played teams as good as Spurs and warriors.. why was Karl Malone the greatest power forward of all time before Tim Duncan even though he never won a title that's exactly my point titles don't mean shit about your individual greatness.. it all goes down to who your teammates are what teams you're playing against who suspended who's injured, so many variables in team sports that has nothing to even do with you....LeGoat
@YUH WAHN Draymond was only suspended one game dude
It helps when you can get away with travel . I just watched my first NBA game in 10 years and I cannot believe how lazy this sport has become. I can't imagine what the old heads think of the game. It's a complete shell of itself.
bill russel played when there was like 10 nba teams
That’s not his fault. And if you recall WILT CHAMBERLAIN was playing against Russell.
You’re still overlooking the one key difference between being great and being the greatest of the great. The argument for LBJ in this video sounds more philosophical (and hypothetical) to me. I still think it’s worth noting that he got a head start on most of the other greats by not playing any college ball, as well.
The thought of Lebron and MJ probably laughing together about the entire debate is probably the funniest thing I’ve thought of ever
“Is a players performance, despite how masterful it was, all in vain if his team loses?” Shit so poetic almost had me shed a tear
@Gabe Camper Find a way my ass wade was missing a ton of games and averaged 17 ppg. in the playoffs that is not good enough, lebron is just better than jordan who had weak competition in the 90s
in vain? no. but less valuable than a masterful performance in a win? yes. especially in basketball, where 1 player can have such a big effect.
@KDub But Jordan played 15 years. 9 times he failed to make it to the finals. So you not gonna count those years he failed? And you're gonna count those years that Lebron atleast made it to the finals? sheesh
Rings aren’t the sole contributor to greatness but they are an aspect.
He hasn’t been to ten straight finals… also yes, people do care about his finals appearances and bring it up non stop when talking about lebron and his skill level.
His longevity is unsurpassed. It's extremely impressive
In order to end the debate, we can ask the question; "Which one is more difficult to accomplish, staying in top shape for like 20 years or three-peat after three-peat?". I can admit both of them are extremely hard to accomplish but if you are not winning in at least 10 of those 20 seasons that you were in your top shape and one of of top 5 players in the league, you are not great. LeBron is really impressive and at times, great. But not all time great. MJ on the other hand with the things he accomplished, being great before he started winning and continuing to be great even after he won so many rings, which we all witness in GSW example that staying on top is a lot more difficult than going up there, did the things that are so difficult that no one has ever even come close. Not even LeBron in his almost 20 years-prime career.
this was really well put together. And you literally showed all the point of views, debates and perspectives when it comes to this argument.
This video is good but there is a bette GOAT video that breaks out down better. The only thing is that it was made just before Lebron won the bubble championship
Michael Jordan pushed the game to new heights from old school basketball to incredible athletic achievements that Kobe and Lebron and others have followed. If Michael had started when Kobe or Lebron started he would have been an even greater player because he would have had tougher competition pushing him and better knowledge of training and technique.To me MJ will always be the greatest of all time because of the extremely high percentage of championship wins and the effect he had as a player all around the world.23 number will always be MJ, every random person on the planet know who MJ is and not everyone knows Lebron even though MJ quit a loong time ago, Lebron can never make people say "so and so is the Lebron of -insert another sport-" Everyone is using Michael Jordan as the ultimate reference to greatness.
I'm legit tired of the debate. But this was an amazing breakdown. Actually made me care again 😂Immediate sub...
@Retro Soul lol even if lebron played like this for another 5 years watch u micheal jordan fans be like Um AcTuaLlY hE wAs CaRried By DEez NuTs
@Pepi Roni first of all 1994 the bulls got better role players after MJ left and they went to the second round so idk how that’s almost the Finals
@• fLatPLuTo • I don’t know why I keep replying but I need u to know how idiotic u sound. Here are some laker teams and their best players and records2013 lakers. Kobe/gasol/Nash 27-552014. Lakers. Kobe/Randle/nick young 21-612015. Lakers. Kobe. Hibbert. Dangelo russel and nick young. 17-662007 cavs. Lebron/Larry Hughes/ilgauskus. 50-32 made it to the finalsThose 3 rosters Kobe had are TEN time better than the garbage team Lebron took to finalsSo Kobe not only didn’t make the playoffs those three years and his team averaged 23 wins per year while having a much better roster than 2007 cavsWhat part of this aren’t u understanding. How can u think Kobe could have the same squad in 2007 as Lebron did and make the playoffs - when he had way better rosters and they only won 20 gamesThis is not even an argument. It’s indisputable
@Pepi Roni lebron beat two .500 teams, one in the first round, another in the second. You don’t think Kobe or Jordan as a higher seed with a better defensive team then both of the competition couldn’t beat those teams. Especially when the teams offense revolves mainly around them. They at the very least could’ve made the conference finals and imo both could’ve made the finals with the competition in the east being as bad as it was. Again you didn’t even point out anything specific, you’ve acknowledged that the east has been weaker than the west for a while but then use Kobe being on a bad team in a harder conference against him. Put lebron on that same team and he loses just like Kobe, in fact looking at just last year alone would say lebron would’ve lost in the first round too, if he even made the playoffs at all.
@• fLatPLuTo • I literally just said it. I’m not gonna re write my whole paragraph. Look at the teams Kobe had later in his career and didn’t make the playoffs while Lebron took the single worst supporting squad in nba history to the finals I see reading comprehension isn’t one of your strongest skills
GOAT status aside, I would have loved to see them play 1-on-1 in their primes.
Your videos are always so well said and factual. Well done.
Was the first clip real? That was almost surreal.
It was. Saw it live. Had just had a debate with a guy over who was the better dunker between MJ and Bron that day (MJ of course) and when he did that he messaged me and was like, Yup. I had to give props. Was a helluva dunk. And on his good friend Kevin Love I might add. Afterwards during the commercial break Kevin came over and put Bron in a head lock and started play-beating him up. Bron said in the post game that when he turned the corner and saw it was Kevin he was like, man I gotta go to his wedding next week. 🤣
It's difficult to argue against Jordan being the GOAT because he was so damn spectacular. It's the way he played the game that made him so special ...not simply the stats. So to be regarded as the GOAT, above Jordan, is a lot to ask imo ...because you can't simply ignore the fact that Jordan was like poetry in motion.
The best unheard of stat for Jordan is leading the league in scoring and making all defensive first team in the same season. He did that 9 times! For Bron taking that 07 cavs team to the finals is an underrated achievement. Jordan never took a bad team to the finals. Both players have done things the other hasn’t. Let’s all appreciate the greats while we still can.
If you watch the NBA when Lebron was playing in the cavs, you can clearly see that the Western Conference is way harder and better than the Eastern conferences hence why they said “Leastern Conference. West has way better teams/wining teams overall. Pls do ur research correctly.
@Francisco Pizarro You just completely made my point about why MJ won,is overrated,gets too much credit for the BULLS success,& why lbj hasn't won as many rings. It's a team sport,doesn't matter how GREAT one individual is,you need a good team to even make the finals,let alone win! What bron did in 07 is very similar to what AI did,difference is lebron led his in more statistical categories. And he did it again in 2018.
@Darealkingrichard How are you going to make deep playoff runs in a tough conference without a good team ? I’m asking that specifically because what Lebron did in 2007 is no different than what AI did in 2001. Oh and just to be transparent, i 97-98 Scottie missed 38 games and MJ still led them to a 62-20 record
@Francisco Pizarro Never said the 88 team was loaded,they were not GOOD. But that 98 team was loaded & like i said he only made deep playoff runs when he had a GOOD TEAM. How is that IMPRESSIVE?
@Darealkingrichard Yea that LOADED 87-88 Bulls team with Charles Oakley as the 2nd option lol.
Another important factor that hurts Lebrons case for the GOAT is that a superteam was required for him to win is first couple championships. Jordan on the other hand did it the hard way...he fought tooth and nail against the Bad Boy Pistons. Once he overcame that challenge he finally broke through and won his first ring. Lebron on the other hand took the easier path. He colluded with his best friends and formed his own superteam. Yes we can all say Jordan had other Hall-of-famers like Scottie, Rodman, & etc. But Jordan never played with a shooting guard on Dwayne Wade's level...never had a point guard on Kyrie Irving level. MJ never had a forward on Anthony Davis level.. Lebron had a mountain of all-star and superstar teammates with only 4 championships to show for. Because of this important factor is one of the reasons why MJ is the undisputed GOAT 🐐
Well done!!! Watch the entire video. The most objective and statistically fact-based assessment of the 🐐💯
Gotta make another video after this season 🤦🏽♂️ Bron’s just on a different level than anyone else in the history of the game, especially at this age.
It's So sad people still waste their time making this claim. Mj would give bronzy nightmares if somehow they clashed in their primes.
This is the best GOAT debate video ever. And not just because I mostly agree. But I love the way you provide facts and analysis while praising both players because they are AMAZING
@Mataszki Far better
@Mataszki This Video is so biased and as a matter of fact, it ain‘t even up to date 🤣🤣🤣
This is the best.... Check these vids out....plclip.com/video/8WVGKYYpxgE/wideo.htmlStates Lebron stats is overrated, especially compared to MJplclip.com/video/Czq4NN0la6w/wideo.htmlplclip.com/video/4fSlLdXNzPw/wideo.htmlFlops compilation & has been doing it many yearsplclip.com/video/8M7yBjtx_Ic/wideo.htmlCompare to MJ. Not even close
Scoring 8pts in game 4 of 2011 finals while shying away on posting up JJ. Barrea already removed Lebron from the GOAT debate. 😂
No it's not: plclip.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/wideo.html
Not as physical as it used to be. So not as hard on the body
I just saw MJ as someone who would prove it for you, and if you chose MJ against those who don't, MJ would prove to you why you made the right choice, and relentlessly try to humiliate those who thought otherwise Btw MJ ate mcdonalds everyday They even made a special menu item in Michaels nameHis health was not all there when he aged into the wizard's
Great video, only time will tell the answer. I think each generation should have their own greatest of all time because technology and training definitely affect the outcome of these players' stats.
As a Lakers fan I’ve always asked a simple question in regards to the GOAT debate. Q: If you have Magic, Bird and MJ on your team, down by 2 with 3 seconds left, who’s shooting the game winner? A: Larry Joe Bird.
This was so well crafted I almost shed a tear. Good stuff Jxmy
Hold your tear yet. Try this one: plclip.com/user/DANGERProductions2020
Regardless of points etc.. MJ pretty much paved the way for everyone after him including LeBron. It's MJs influence that got many people around the world even on the map watching Basketball
I like how you gave both players excellent points as to why they are the GOAT. At the end of the day let’s be respectful and debate instead of insult people on there opinion.
LeBron defeated the greatest basketball team ever assembled in the finals with a team that never should’ve been capable of such a feat. He’s an absolute legend and a one man army on the court.
Lol?are you sure they really defeate the GSW that year?or should we say with the help of the commissioner?that Finals will end in game 5 only when green was never suspended..but because of your LeFlop Queen that is why..
Few things haven't been discussed: positive impact on team/team mates, impact on the game overall, cultural influence. LeBron losses in all 3. Mike was as harsh as f., but made team mates better - if they were strong enough to survive his methods. Second, everyone heard about Jordan rules or even Shaq rules. Did you ever hear about LeBron rules? Neither do I. Third, LeBron is S-class player. No doubt about it. But he is not even close to iconic status of Air of Bulls or even Shaq. He doesn't have personality, style, deeper message. He is not a winner. I owe my business thanks, and playing basketball, following MJs mentality gave me a boost in creating own approach to work. I mean his approach to the game. MJ radiated with it. He was even fighting own team mates when he felt they lack of dedication. I can't see any of these qualities in LeBron, apart from support for (divisive in my opinion) BLM.
Part of the reason LeBron has enjoyed success so late in his career, other than spending so much money on his body, is that basketball is a lot easier now. It has become a much easier sport to play. NO leans, hand checks, hard fouls. Nobody tries to kill you when you come in the lane. And technology is far more supportive of career longevity. That's not hate. That's facts and the careers of all NBA players are trending longer. That said, what LeBron has done is impressive, but others will quickly begin to approach what he has done.
The GOAT debate is really very simple imo. In his prime, Michael Jordan is the greatest player to touch the court. There is no doubt on that. He also has more rings with 6/6 finals record. This makes it very hard to debate against him. However, Lebron is not far behind in his prime and his longevity has to be part of the debate. It’s whether you value his longevity over not quite being as good in his prime and those 2 rings. I’m still sticking with MJ as I think his prime years make up for his lack of longevity but if Lebron pulled 2 more rings from somewhere at his age, I may have to reconsider
2016 NBA finals seals this conversation. It was the greatest finals in the history of basketball. Truly David slaying Goliath. MJ was always the favorite and never once had to overcome such an insane obstacle.
Are you really proud to won the chip by suspending player on the other team and telling the world you're the Greatest?..lol
playing so bad that you fall down 3-1 in the first place? yeah, good one.
That’s bc MJ was always Goliath. The 2011 finals sealed it for me when LeBron and the heat lost to the mavs. You never saw MJ choke like that
@Donovan Davidson just like the comments i responded to
@SirLucifer very dumb & simplistic
Mj is goat
MJ played in college and won. LBJ nada. Jordan played when they barely called fouls, and got beat down a lot. NBA is soft now compared to back then. They invented a Defense for MJ, the Jordan rules. He won multiple dunk contest, LBJ nada. Shooting 3 pointers was not a priority back then compared to now. He also played baseball. He never flopped too. Jordans space jam much better than LBJ. I will admit Lebron is a beast, but not the goat. In 15 years if our planet is still alive we might change our opinion depending on how well the kid from France career develops. ✌
Seeing a human be as great as Lebron for this long tells me that Bills record will definitely go one day
The closest bron ever got to the GOAT debate was when they won the Disney bubble ring. Had he followed it up with a 3peat of his own, matching mj's 6 total, plus one DPOY award, Bron could really make a serious case for being the GOAT. A 7th title (4peat) would've definitely sealed it for himLet's see if longevity can be his route for it, much like Kareem did, the GOAT before MJ came along
One of the best videos I’ve seen on this platform. Ever. Well done mate!
This channel is without a doubt, the best basketball channel on PLclip. Jimmy goes into such detail and has such convincing arguments that he could probably convince all of us that Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT. Keep up the good work and keep making the best basketball videos on PLclip!Edit: jeez people are getting so mad over me complimenting someone, like calm down.
@Ashland McCallum Thinking Basketball, The Dime Drop, etc.
@Ma1q said like a true casual name a better channel. I’ll wait
Watch his Scalabrine video
No I isn’t this channel is for casuals
Awesome objective video analysis on this decade long debate. My vote goes to MJ though, my personal basis always has and always will! But nonetheless, thanks for the bipartisan break down!
All in all, they're are the product of MJ's legacy, but ONLY LB survived and have great milestone of them all than Kobe, right?
I'm 36 and I was able to watch both players play in their prime..I was young when mj was in his prime but i remember watching his games very well..I was a huge mj fan growing up..With that being said..LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time...
Objective metric: Michael Jordan built his franchise (a shitty one at that time) to the greatest one in the league. Lebron escaped his. In the end Curry's legacy could be bigger cause the guy never moved from the warriors until it became the best franchise in the league. But hey Jimmy thinks the warriors "buy" a championship by giving big contracts to players they drafted and supported through big injuries.This is the biggest failure of lebron. Giannis said it out loud. He took the easy way. And he changed the league for worse, cause now, stars will move teams without shame because the best of them already did it.
Jimmy I have been watching you since 2018 and it never ceases to amaze me how regardless of views, subscribers, or the changing social environment your content is so damn consistent. So cool to see you've reached almost 2 million subscribers! Keep up the good work.
Yo bro don't google your name 😂😂
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You can really say that this is an honest review on the subject matter. KEEP UP.
Great video but those career stats where Jordan beats Lebron might be flawed. Shouldnt you compare them at there peak years and then show how that changes across their entire careers?
So my take away from this video the way Jimmy seemingly redefined what being the GOAT means is LBJ has a chance to become the greatest player of all time but not the best player of all time.Also I feel like simply by adding to his total Points, Assist, Rebounds etc he for me does not come any closer to the GOAT because that only proves his longevity. I feel like he'd either have to win a DPOTY, Ring or MVP. Which out of these I only see him winning a ring but I also feel like if he does it's only because he basically gets another Heat/Super-Team. Also I feel like since LBJ is the one chasing MJ and that makes him the underdog I feel like a lot of people look deep into stuff that makes MJ look worse but completely ignore stuff that would damage a case for LBJ. For example that spacing and higher percentage 3pt shooters have made it easier to score and also get assist in today's league.
He would need to never lose a Finals or Finals MVP. Never need a game 7, win a three peat, then a repeat three peat. Win the scoring title in a majority of his seasons, while also winning multiple defensive player of the year titles. He would need to have 5 of the top 10 best games ever played in nba history, including the top spot. And he would need to be the most respected, admired, and universally known and accepted as the best athlete on the planet, in any sport, for his entire career. Eventually transcending his sport, and athletics entirely, so that his name becomes a verb to describe someone who is the best in history at what they do. If you found someone and told them that you were the Michael Jordan of your job, they would instantly know what you were saying. If you said you were the Lebron James of your job, they are likely to have no idea what you were trying to get across.
Jimmy… this video is a masterpiece, that last minute and a half literally gave me chills and shivers down my spine. I’ve never been so intrigued by the “G.O.A.T. Talk” like this before. You didn’t once force yourself to answer the big question, “Who is The Greatest of All Time?”, I can tell that you just love basketball and love talking about it.
Bro watch the Video by DANGERProductions it's even better than this one
@Kevin Carmell you are brain dead read what he said again he was implying rings were more important
@Split Rivet I concur with you on that.. Ignore those disgruntled haters who try to put words into your mouth and make assumptions.
@xTackett Team sport is what Split Rivet was implying... bozo
LeBron is finally slowing down, his advanced metrics are the lowest of his career, across the board, since his rookie season. He's just barely in the top 20 in the league in BPM & PER but all the way down at 87th in WS/48. He's still putting up great raw numbers but it's harder for him now and it shows in those advanced metrics. He did have a slow start and is putting up better numbers since he came back from that injury in late November.As you say, Jordan leads LeBron in pretty much every advanced metric you can find which can be applied to Jordan's era (many recent metrics use data that wasn't tracked until very late in MJ's career) except for TS%. It proves beyond doubt that he was the more impactful, on court player. In fact, he's #1 in NBA history in all of those categories. Given that LeBron's career numbers are continually falling with every season he plays, he will never surpass MJ here, it's literally impossible. To solidify his dominance in individual stats, he has also won more accolades than any other player in NBA history. He has 70 of the official accolades the league bestows upon its players. LeBron has 61 and will, again, find it very, very difficult to surpass Jordan here...but not impossible.So are you going to tell me that, in the very likely scenario that MJ remains #1 in stats and #1 in accolades, that LeBron will be considered the GOAT when he retires? It makes no sense that the most statistically dominant player of all time who also won more stuff than any other player in the league's history can be considered a 'less great' player than somebody else. It's ludicrous.
It's amazing. Everyone compare stats to stats without comparing relative stats. The real stats comparison should be your numbers in every category, compared to the overall numbers in the game stats. Otherwise stats are significantly in favor for those who play in high scoring games, like today league. Because the entire game has changed. Defense are softer, especially during regular season, teams playing faster and shooting much more per game , which elevate the stats in every category. Not to mention the 3 point shooting that also open space in the middle and increase average point per player. The fact that LeBron is putting better numbers now than the numbers he was putting 8 years ago, it's only indication how much the league has changed, not to his own "greatness".. No one is in the same shape at his 38 as he was in his 30. It's nonsense. The league became much more offense oriented. Look at the overall numbers, look how many "mega stars" we suddenly have. Yes there is also a lot of talents but if everyone is "talented" it mean the game has changed. Jordan averaged over 30 per game in a league that the average score was 94. In today league -with an average of 115, Jordan would have average 37+. Same for assists, rebounds and steals. LeBron longevity at this level is only possible because of the way the league has changed. If any, he should thank Steph curry for that 😂😊
LeBron became champion on 3 different teams and in different situations. It's strange that you didn't say about that.
@Sole Magus Jordan was the coward he retired and 1993 due to mental fatigue😂😅😅 imagine lebron or kobe making that excuse😂 quit again in 1998 because he didn't want a new coach😂 while lebron was giving random coaches their first championship
@Jimmy Robinson don't waste my time. You have alot to learn kiddo
@Gmoneyinc Forming contenders is necessary in Brons era but not Jordans.. When Jordan won his rings, he had no super teams to contend with, talent was more evenly spread across the league, better parity, max 2 "stars" per team (I understand stars is a relative term), and you saw what happened when he faced a superteam the Celtics, he got bullied. whereas Bron had to compete with the the dynasty spurs and the dynasty warriors, multiple years each, both of which he managed to win a ring against. No team Jordan faced was great enough to become a dynasty if the bulls/jordan didn't exist. Lebron faced 2 dynasties. LeBron's competition >>>>>>>>> Jordans
Ring chasing team stacking shouldn't be rewarded it's very bad for sports
he did it in the most cowardly way in nba history...
I’ve been watching since bird and magic .. and I can defiantly say there was no one like Jordan .. he’s the best player in any sport
Literally one of the best vids by Jimmy that he's ever done. Just magnificent.
it's the music for me
@SoDak Zak well said brother
Makes me realize that Michael Jordan is the Usain Bolt of the NBA and LeBron is the Eliud Kipchoge. Both are masters of their thing, Michael at a fast unbeatable career at the fastest level, LeBron at sustained excellence. I’ve been done with the GOAT debates since Kobe passed, I’ve learned to just appreciate the greatness we get to watch live while it’s happening instead of fighting and reducing one side or the other.
To me, the longevity and the constant greatness that lebron has been pulling out of his hat for two decades is just too much. Flame me all you like, King James is my GOAT.
I love basketball and on the behalf of all basketball fans I confidently thank you for this wonderful video. Lebron James has one of the best careers of all time. Michael Jordan however was novel, something unfamiliar to the eye, therefore the best to ever do it. Not saying that there won’t be another legend like that, but you know where I’m stemming from.😊😊Peace and love lebron fans 😂