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  • Aiden1024
    Aiden1024 8 miesięcy temu +22906

    The fact that he spends hours plotting and making these graphs for us to visualize instead of throwing information at our faces truly shows why jimmy is the GOAT of basketball PLcliprs

    • SpiderEditz
      SpiderEditz 4 dni temu

      Nah I’d put Chris Smoove or Swishout at number 1

    • Random Mf
      Random Mf 13 dni temu

      S

    • Ma1q
      Ma1q 29 dni temu

      Wow someone spend hours doing something that makes them money 😱😱😱.
      😂😂

    • A Seyed
      A Seyed Miesiąc temu

      If only he spent a little less time manipulating the y-axis to make his data look more dramatic than it is

    • Yout
      Yout Miesiąc temu

      @GameTime2.0 Lol you a youngin man

  • Celanian
    Celanian Miesiąc temu +353

    I think the one thing that impacted the NBA more than the 3 point shot was adding in the shot clock.

    • KDub
      KDub 5 dni temu +9

      @Rose Roselyne very valid statement. Defenders can’t even creep up into shooters “landing zone”. All they could do is do a side sweep jump and hope they block it or don’t get fakeoutted or simply stand in one spot without moving. It’s a shooters league now.

    • Random Mf
      Random Mf 13 dni temu

      W

    • Rose Roselyne
      Rose Roselyne 28 dni temu +12

      @peteMickeal33 how to defend when the sports take away defense foo

    • peteMickeal33
      peteMickeal33 Miesiąc temu +34

      shot clock is great for amazing moments.
      Two much drama with the 3s from sour losers. It's easy to fix. DEFEND!

  • Benjamin Valenzuela
    Benjamin Valenzuela 2 miesięcy temu +250

    Without the 3 pointer, we never would have seen Reggie Miller score 8 points in 9 seconds!

    • jamel
      jamel 6 dni temu +2

      @Ace Rugar 13 in 33

    • Ace Rugar
      Ace Rugar Miesiąc temu +15

      Or Tracy mcgrady
      He scored 13

  • Cameron Williams
    Cameron Williams Miesiąc temu +64

    Bring back full contact hand checking, that will sort these players out. The game is too soft these days. 2pointers are easier now, as there are less bigs on the court in the middle. Teams stack ppl on court that can shoot 3's, which is not generally 7 foot rim protectors.

    • rob bratcher
      rob bratcher 8 godzin temu

      @Flex King soft league nobody wants to watch it

    • bguman
      bguman Dzień temu +2

      @Don’t be mad. because they carry the damn ball!

    • Don’t be mad.
      Don’t be mad. Dzień temu

      @bgumanbro what? Some of the best ball handlers today make literally most of the league in those eras look like jokes aside from 5 people we all know.

    • Koa El Morz
      Koa El Morz Dzień temu

      Facts machine!!!!!!! All the way 51 50

    • bguman
      bguman 4 dni temu +3

      @Flex King uh no. When you take extra steps, carry the ball you are not more talented.

  • Jared Ray
    Jared Ray 2 miesięcy temu +130

    I have only one thing to say: I agree. 🤞🏻
    Some amazing points you made in this video I’ve felt throughout my life.

    • Gabe Bradley
      Gabe Bradley Miesiąc temu

      sounds like a lifelong horrible shooter blaming the game

    • Dustin Babola
      Dustin Babola Miesiąc temu

      P0

    • Victor Samuelson
      Victor Samuelson 2 miesięcy temu +1

      It’s ruining the game and when you’re young you don’t have the muscles to go that much so you have to throw the ball instead of shoot the ball why did you make it a four pointer by moving it even further it’s not Basketball anymore

  • neltymind
    neltymind Miesiąc temu +53

    2.5 points instead of 3 is an interesting idea. Moving back the three pointer line (or just using the center line instead) would be another. If three pointers get significantly harder (due to further distance) they'll become less dominant.
    It's also very interesting how the three pointer was inttroduced in 1979 but it took everyone decades to realise their full potential. Sure, three pointers were done in the and 80s and 90s but they were more of an afterthought except for a few specialists. Steve Kerr was one of the best (if not the best) three point shooters of his era but he only averaged 6 points per game. Why? Because the tactics of his team weren't build around shooting three pointers. They were build around MJ or Scottie Pippen scoring from close distance.

    • james knight
      james knight 2 dni temu +1

      @Benjamin Pease no, this is literally just stupid, it makes dunks harder making the dunk contest even worse, jellys harder, it throws people off their game.

    • Benjamin Pease
      Benjamin Pease 3 dni temu

      Smaller rims are a simpler, more cost effective solution to incentivize interior play.

    • james knight
      james knight 9 dni temu

      @Top G steve kerr has highest three point percentage, but he dosent have the range. Hes just yuta watanabe but in the 90s

    • Gamertag
      Gamertag 24 dni temu

      @h3llboyyy Nope Steve Kerr is the warriors couch name

    • h3llboyyy
      h3llboyyy 24 dni temu

      @Gamertag dude i think you spelled stephen curry’s name wrong

  • confusedindividual
    confusedindividual Miesiąc temu +7

    Before even watching the video, my answer to the question is ‘yes.’ If your opposition sucks at guarding threes, take those threes. Win the game before halftime to show that any team worthy of the NBA better have a solid defense against three-pointers.

  • Kurtiss Jacobs
    Kurtiss Jacobs 2 miesięcy temu +38

    This is an excellent video essay with just the right amount of math, just the right amount of history. Keep rolling high!

    • Michael Scofield
      Michael Scofield Miesiąc temu

      Which is what basketball has turned into - mathematics. Gone are the days of gladiators. Now all we have are nerds in gym shorts.

  • Derek2k
    Derek2k 2 miesięcy temu +6

    It’s funny I stopped watched just before the three point explosion. So I come back a couple months ago and I’m like omg they brick all their shots! If a team decided to instead go for only wide open threes and instead go for good shots, they would crush this league. Put together a team of guys who can get 2s easy with a team mixed with 3 point set shooters.

  • hecker
    hecker 8 miesięcy temu +1562

    This dude Jimmy is just… WOW!!
    MUCH RESPECT

    • Hi my name is JEFF
      Hi my name is JEFF 8 miesięcy temu

      plclip.com/video/RcMT2lG0y1I/wideo.html

    • hecker
      hecker 8 miesięcy temu

      @Chris NÑ thanks man i really appreciate it

    • hecker
      hecker 8 miesięcy temu

      @Kevin Sigue ofc man, my favorite sport is actually basketball

    • jok b
      jok b 8 miesięcy temu

      WRF

    • Chris NÑ
      Chris NÑ 8 miesięcy temu +2

      @heckerthat's the price of fame I guess, but I believe that the repliers are happy that a famous member of the Belugang watches Jxmy's videos 🤩
      PS: You earned $10

  • Feelsgoodman
    Feelsgoodman 3 miesięcy temu +129

    The problem is that the three pointer is still ultimately dictating the entire shot chart on the floor. You still need a bunch of three point players out there. Defenses have basically become stop the three at all costs, and are more than okay most times with allowing easier 2s if it meant you stopped a 3. Stylistically, teams are still basically going all out 3s, and that's kind of the problem. Basketball sucks now because all 30 teams are sort of a carbon copy offense, some teams are just doing it better with better players, but they're all hunting 3s at all costs.

    • Dương Thanh Tùng
      Dương Thanh Tùng Miesiąc temu

      @Jonathan Baird The prices are getting higher and the arena is still full. What are you brokies complaining about lmao?

    • Slate City
      Slate City Miesiąc temu +4

      @Jonathan Baird they clearly arent seeing as every game is sold out and packed. back inna days of the 90s and 2000s it was common to see unpopular teams have empty seats in the stadium

    • Jonathan Baird
      Jonathan Baird Miesiąc temu +2

      @Slate City Professional sports exist because of the fans. Otherwise, no one is paying anyone anything to shoot a basketball. If fans are getting bored with the game due to 3 pointers, it may be worth considering changing it.

    • Slate City
      Slate City 2 miesięcy temu +4

      do u expect ppl to play inefficiently just to satisfy your need to see post moves and mid ranges?

    • Marvis Setiawan
      Marvis Setiawan 2 miesięcy temu +1

      Lol..
      I would've turn my eyes off basketball completely if those 3 didnt exist at all..
      People are gonna start ignore the attempt for 2.5 pts too..
      Imagine being defender and one thing in their minds are only about stopping any shot attempt from inside 3pts arc..
      That would be so boring and creates more n more problem..
      Doesnt mean when you see something that you would call a problem, means that it isnt the best solution for that situation..
      Dont just see and complain about it..
      Think further, about the consequences of removing/adjusting 3pts ..
      Its so dang easy if you try..👍

  • n.1 c
    n.1 c Miesiąc temu +16

    Another way of looking at a balance to the game is adding that a dunk counts as 3 pointer. If you think about the effort it takes to dunk especially over someone. It's a cogent perspective to what the defense offers. I could be wrong but there's some stuff to play with. (Not sure if he mentions this or not, only seen a few min and gotta run, but I like where this is going)

    • Nolan Fleming
      Nolan Fleming 13 godzin temu

      That's absolute insanity, imagine teams trying to force dunk attempts in the last minutes or so of a playoff game. It would be absolutely hilarious and dumb.

    • Geno Mars
      Geno Mars 16 dni temu

      Being able to score 3 points both inside and outside the paint would be too powerful. Defense already has to sacrifice pressure in the center in order to pressure the 3 point line.

    • n.1 c
      n.1 c Miesiąc temu +2

      @Luke K💪😎 you got it

    • Luke K
      Luke K Miesiąc temu +6

      I was going to say the same thing. Plus everyone loves dunks.

  • Joshuaivan620
    Joshuaivan620 Miesiąc temu +13

    for me, its not that it’s worth too much, it’s more that players shoot too many 3s and not enough 2s

    • Querymonger
      Querymonger Miesiąc temu +4

      They do that bc it's worth too much not to do it

  • erics
    erics 2 miesięcy temu +17

    Dude you’re too good at your job holy shit I love this so much man. Please never stop

  • banana
    banana 8 miesięcy temu +3949

    The Rockets missing 27 straight 3s in a game 7 is still one of the craziest things to happen in sports. It's like they were meant to lose that series

    • raheem cue
      raheem cue Miesiąc temu

      @Geralt of Rivia they definitely would've handled the warriors and the Cavs in the finals.

    • Sir Frosted
      Sir Frosted Miesiąc temu

      @Leven Woods how could they possibly rig that many misses like it’s not space jam they weren’t using magnets

    • Mark
      Mark Miesiąc temu

      @Himiona Sullivan, lol ok sure

    • Mark
      Mark Miesiąc temu

      @National Sports Entertainment , I doubt that

    • Mark
      Mark Miesiąc temu

      @dfdfdgg gjhjjh , really? Lol

  • Jess Simpson
    Jess Simpson 2 miesięcy temu +14

    Just increase both shots by 1 point. 2 pointers -> 3, 3 pointers -> 4. Now it's worth less but is still a functional tool.

    • TechNewsEveryWeek
      TechNewsEveryWeek 4 dni temu

      @Cameron Disser
      Just because he said its perfect does not mean you cant disagree

    • Ilestun
      Ilestun 7 dni temu

      @Bradley Walker Rules changes espescially making defense harder today already make it impossible to compare. Most people Believe that with the current rules, Jordan would have averaged 45+ ppg, some say even 50.

    • Jess Simpson
      Jess Simpson Miesiąc temu

      @Cameron Disser I forgot the add in saying if they intended to change anything, I was not intending they should, only if they were changing that it shouldn't be abolished, only tuned.

    • Bradley Walker
      Bradley Walker Miesiąc temu

      That would make ALL previous scoring stats obsolete, and would make it impossible to compare players across generations, and impressive achievements like 40-point games would suddenly become common and unspecial.

    • MATT MAN
      MATT MAN Miesiąc temu

      That’s the dumbest thing ever, changing both would mean nothing would change, the scoring would just be higher. If everyone in the world grew 1 inch no one would notice for a while

  • nickpr.
    nickpr. 5 miesięcy temu +20

    I don't mind three-pointers when it's a team that makes them. What bothers me to no end is the teams who don't have the roster to emulate great shooting teams and they force them. There's nothing wrong with being a team more akin to Milwaukee or Chicago who have mid-range specialist that make the games more balanced.

  • Bing Cherry
    Bing Cherry Miesiąc temu +2

    I wonder what would happen if they created a 5 point line at mid court and a 10 point line from foul line traveling to the other side of the court???? Can you imagine a team is up by 9 with just few seconds left. They think the game is in the bag. The opposing team throws up a "Hail Mary" shot the full length of the court. It goes in the hoop and they win!!! Lol!!!!🤣🤣🤣

  • Mikey Molina
    Mikey Molina Miesiąc temu +2

    Move the line further away, and take away the corner 3 or make it even smaller

    • Musical_Lolu
      Musical_Lolu 21 dzień temu

      More Steph Curry-s will come out of the woodwork.

  • Darren Pangan
    Darren Pangan 7 miesięcy temu +3168

    Jimmy: 3-pointers have ruined basketball
    Me: True. Something needs to be done.
    Jimmy: Actually, 3-pointers have kept the game balanced for decades since its inception
    Me: I agree. Please stop all these nonsense about nerfing it!

    • TechNewsEveryWeek
      TechNewsEveryWeek 4 dni temu

      @Malte Persike
      Watched it not convinced

    • POO CRAYON
      POO CRAYON Miesiąc temu

      Point is it's boring.

    • Gabe more
      Gabe more Miesiąc temu

      Just bring back hand checking and the physicality that’s all they need to do

    • Thunder Bolt
      Thunder Bolt Miesiąc temu

      The 3 pointer should be worth 2.5 points. Instead of having 4 players standing around the perimeter barely participating, and becoming soft in the process, now they would be more involved in the game inside the perimeter. That adds excitement because of the additional defense, which creates greater pressure on the offense. The pressure would also come from players having to think prior to shooting a long distance shot rather than automatically jacking it up like robots. All the teams have copied the Warriors because they successfully discovered through analytics that 3's are better than 2's which has made the NBA more boring to watch. It wasn't intended to have this consequence but this is the result of abusing an easy and over valued shot.

    • Goku Black
      Goku Black 2 miesięcy temu

      How this is got 2.k like ...now that makes no sense 🤷‍♂️

  • Andrew Noonan
    Andrew Noonan 2 miesięcy temu +3

    You need 33% shooting from the 3-point line to mathematically become insurmountable. Or in other words, a team of Steph Currys.
    ...Yeah, I think that math checks out.

  • FlickingBot
    FlickingBot Miesiąc temu +5

    I feel like there should be a rule kind of like in football were some players can’t catch the ball when they are linesman I think, there should be maybe one designated shooter and they are the only ones that can shoot threes so that teams can’t just pass around till they get an open three. This way they can still shoot threes but only if they can get the guy open

    • FlickingBot
      FlickingBot Miesiąc temu +1

      @Dustin Crawford sheeesh true

    • Dustin Crawford
      Dustin Crawford Miesiąc temu +5

      You trying to get on his next "bad takes" video?

  • Yawg moth
    Yawg moth 3 miesięcy temu +12

    The problem with the comparison of 3 point percentages over the years is the rate at which teams shoot them has gone up so much that the earlier years are too small a sample size, combine that with the fact back then teams only shot open 3's (well not only, but they would pass up 3's players today would shoot without hesitation). In addition, defenses focus on the 3 more now as well. I think without question NBA players on average are more skilled at shooting 3's, perhaps if you could get the data for only wide open 3's it would show.

    • REVOL
      REVOL 2 miesięcy temu

      Exactly my thoughts. Percentages have not increased significantly, but the average difficulty (coverage and distance) of a 3 pt attempt certainly has - otherwise there's no way teams could go from putting 15 3s up per game to 35.

    • G K
      G K 3 miesięcy temu +2

      I think that's very critical to the analysis..... back in the 90s players took 3s and were efficient at making them but it was because they almost always only took wide open 3s. It wasn't the plan of the possession it was a fluke/ plan c

  • hans plass
    hans plass 3 miesięcy temu +34

    I loved this video, i think you did a top notch job. Just one comment regarding 3pointers and 2 pointers. The stat about the 2pointer being worth more last seasons is also relative to the fact that there are a lot less attempts from that range now, which skews the data as compared to seasons in the past. Basically what has happened is that teams hace changed those Long or somewhat contested 2pointers with threes, and since 3s have retained their success %, it looks in favor of the value of 2pointers.

    • TechNewsEveryWeek
      TechNewsEveryWeek 4 dni temu

      @Marvis Setiawan
      Just because % is the same doesn't mean 3s dont dominate the game.
      36% of 10 shots and 36% of 50 shots make a world of difference

    • Marvis Setiawan
      Marvis Setiawan 2 miesięcy temu

      Lol, % is still %..
      That exactly means its well balanced..
      You can shoot for 2 or 3 depending of the situation..
      The attempt to defend itself is going to make it more engaging..
      Instead of saving their stamina to lower their guard for far shot "outside 3pts arc"

    • Sean Matthew King
      Sean Matthew King 3 miesięcy temu +3

      I see title: 3 pointers have ruined basketball.
      I skip to end of video: the 3 pointer is perfectly balanced and worth exactly as many points as it should be.
      Okay I see.

    • hans plass
      hans plass 3 miesięcy temu +1

      By doing that, nba teams have improved their overall shot efficiency. If a team now has a low 2pt % is probably because the defenses they are up against clog the Middle also because they probably dont have good outside shooting. The problem with todays nba is that a team in that situation really doesnt have any option rather than improving from the outside.

  • CJfromGROVEst_TV CJ-TV
    CJfromGROVEst_TV CJ-TV 8 miesięcy temu +1240

    After rewatching this video multiple times, I've come to the conclusion that the biggest thing plaguing the watch-ability of today's game are fouls. Can you examine that for us Jimi?

    • Michael Scofield
      Michael Scofield Miesiąc temu

      Has anyone been in foul trouble in the last 10 years? LOL

    • Shika
      Shika 3 miesięcy temu

      @Jon Juko youre right these ppl are just brianwashed by old head conjecture

    • Brian Birnbaum
      Brian Birnbaum 7 miesięcy temu

      TOTALLY AGREE

    • Jon Juko
      Jon Juko 8 miesięcy temu

      @30dayfreetrial all factual.

    • PseudoHim
      PseudoHim 8 miesięcy temu

      "in order that the masses themselves may not guess what they are about we further distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions, people's palaces .... soon we shall begin through the press to propose competitions in art, in sport in all kinds: these interests will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them. Growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought ... of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us." - PoTLEoZ

  • MarkshmelloMD
    MarkshmelloMD Miesiąc temu +1

    "basketball isn't math" it is tho. Math uses the law of large numbers so in the grand scheme of all the shots taken in the season, missing 27 won't destroy that percentage.

    • Cameron Disser
      Cameron Disser Miesiąc temu

      But missing 27 will put you out of the finals. That’s the whole point.

  • Paul Stuart
    Paul Stuart 2 miesięcy temu

    Extend the 3-point line, simple. The shot is too easy for pro-ball players.

  • andrew
    andrew Miesiąc temu +3

    no dont change anything in the nba just keep it the way it is now

    • Michael Fong
      Michael Fong 7 godzin temu

      As someone who has watched every finals since 1965 I think we no longer see the battle of styles. It used to be fast break vs. half court. Now it is who is making their threes . It is now pretty boring. Go watch a college game and you see a better all around game and believe it or not it is more physical. No single player dominates the ball like a Doncic or a Trae Young which is as boring as it gets.

    • Servant of GOD
      Servant of GOD 25 dni temu +3

      No I disagree the nba has become one dimensional

  • Merton Hirsch
    Merton Hirsch 4 miesięcy temu +41

    The mid range game, and the passing game were what made watching basketball great, and the 3 was just there to keep defenses honest, and to give a team a chance late in the game. I actually have a suspicion that they might have softened the rims as well over time to increase 3 point rates.
    A couple of obvious solutions. 1) If a three point shooter is bumped or contacted after releasing the ball, it is not a shooting foul, and the only consequences are that on a made 3 pointer, the defender is charged a personal foul for purposes of team fouls and foul outs, but the shooter receives no shots. On a miss, with a bump or contact initiated by the defender after the shot is released, the ball is given to the shooter's team out of bounds. That alone would eliminate 3 free throws, or 4 point plays where the contact did not interfere with the shot. 2) Fouls during the shot have to be during the specific act of launching the ball to the basket. Any foul prior to the launching of the ball on a 3 pointer will allow 3 points on continuation, and be charged a personal, non-shooting foul only, but no turnover on a make, and on a miss will be a personal foul giving the ball back to the shooting team out of bounds, unless the foul is in the bonus, in which case it will get 2 shots. 3) Any contact initiated by the shooter that is not in the act of launching the ball is an offensive foul. This would also occur on 3s. 4) A foul on a 3 is a 2 and 1, if you make both of the first 2 shots, only then do you get a 3rd shot. The problem is not that 3 pointers are made often enough to make them worth more than mid range 2 point attempts. The problem is that the way that fouls are called on 3 points shots tends to create too many 3 and 4 point plays. Also, there has to be a way to keep people from taking literally 4 steps with the ball on a jump back 3. How about, if you land behind the line, you have to take at least 1 dribble to be allowed to leave the ground on a shot.
    Other, more extreme changes could be to widen the court by 3 feet, and extend the 3 point line by 3 feet in every direction, or at least on the sides or to make the rim 1-2" smaller in diameter. I don't really like changing the physics of the game though, but the rules above are something that fans and players would be able to understand over the course of one season and would utterly re-incentivize mid range jumpers especially coming off of picks, as well as post up mid range shot creation.

    • Michael Fong
      Michael Fong 6 godzin temu

      What is really missing is the different styles of basketball. It was fast break a vs. fast break and whoever won tempo won the game. Everyone plays the same style now with one person controlling the ball and then pick and roll and then passing to the corner and then around the perimeter. it is fucking boring

    • Merton Hirsch
      Merton Hirsch Miesiąc temu

      @Cameron Disser Well, the three point shot has become balanced over time now at the point where 40% of shot attempts are from 3 point range, and when the league has dumped midrange defenders which has started to boost the midrange game for the guys who specialize in that. Also, scoring is high. I don't have a problem with that. The question isn't whether the 3 point shot is being used in balance, it is whether we want 40% of shots to come from 3 point range, which, by the way is up over 10% in the last 6-7 years. I think it was 28% 8 years ago. Looks like things will swing though. You have a guy like Jokic who hits 67% on 2 pointers largely because there are not many interior defenders anymore, AND he can swing out assists to guys at the 3 point line who are hitting 39% on his team collectively. I guess in the 90s people were complaining that the defenses had too much of an advantage.

    • Cameron Disser
      Cameron Disser Miesiąc temu

      The video: 3pt shots are completely balanced as is.
      The comment section:
      Here’s a 26 page list on changes to make 3 point shots worse.

    • Basil Carpenter jr
      Basil Carpenter jr 2 miesięcy temu

      @Merton Hirsch nba won't let players play defense let them get physical

    • Slate City
      Slate City 2 miesięcy temu

      @Merton Hirsch its not might as well shoot a floater instead of mid

  • Catstelth
    Catstelth 8 miesięcy temu +3486

    The evolution of the sport is really something to behold. I don’t know what else can change the sport like the 3 point evolution did. Shows curry’s greatness

    • Michael Scofield
      Michael Scofield Miesiąc temu +1

      I'd much rather a guy score 33000 points shooting midrange jumpers. it's more impressive to me to drive the lane on 3 people than to shoot over 5.

    • I MISS MY FAT BICH?
      I MISS MY FAT BICH? Miesiąc temu

      @Julian Anthony why you hate steph?

    • I MISS MY FAT BICH?
      I MISS MY FAT BICH? Miesiąc temu

      @Julian Anthony no u mad cuz he goat,?

    • Julian Anthony
      Julian Anthony Miesiąc temu

      @I MISS MY FAT BICH? a lot of the great shooters from the past weren’t allowed to shoot like that. The game wasn’t played that way. These warriors weren’t the first team to kill you with threes. They do it better bc Steph is the best shooter in the league but klay mattered a lot. Steve Kerr mattered. Draymond mattered. And other teams shot more 3s than those warriors. The league was going that way before Steph blew up. He just a easy narrative for y’all to follow

    • I MISS MY FAT BICH?
      I MISS MY FAT BICH? Miesiąc temu

      I bet your white. Crediting some white man. Reggie Miller made more lebron made more than bird harden and Lillard made more than bird. Leave that pasty white boy outta this. He ain't even top 5 in best shooters of all time

  • ocping
    ocping 2 miesięcy temu

    The people advocating for 2.5 points don't seem to realise it takes a huge amount of effort and skill to even reach 33% accuracy on 3s, much less the insane 45+% elite shooters get. As much as someone like Giannis should be praised for his efficiency, there's an element of truth that he does not have much skill, if any, in terms of shooting; the 3-pointer evens the playing field for people less athletically-gifted than freaks like him.

  • Ryan Allen
    Ryan Allen 2 miesięcy temu +1

    Here’s a good idea have different teams establish were the three point line is placed like baseball how long there ball fields are?

    • Red Avis
      Red Avis 3 dni temu

      Idiotic at best.

    • BlackieChan
      BlackieChan 5 dni temu

      no because that would be unfair for certain players if their home stadium has a further 3 point line

  • Mike Ng
    Mike Ng Miesiąc temu +1

    If a 4 pointer line should be added, how far should it be from the basket?

    • Michael Fong
      Michael Fong 7 godzin temu

      how about a 5 point line?

    • Strangely Ukrainian
      Strangely Ukrainian Miesiąc temu

      Shortest distance between the center of the court and the basket, and then follow that distance in an arc

  • Brady S
    Brady S 3 miesięcy temu +3

    The problem I can see is with the shooting percentage graph. While the line pretty much remains parallel the internal breakdown of this graph is very important. In the earliest year, the players taking 3's were the best 3 point shooters. In the last year, the players taking 3's was everyone. I expect the players who were formerly good 3 point shooters in the first year are now extremely good 3 point shooters but they are balanced out by the larger percentage of poor shooters who now shoot 3's more frequently. Which I would argue is a coaching mistake that will eventually be fixed in the league and lead to a complete 3 point/layup meta.

  • moffy23
    moffy23 8 miesięcy temu +2096

    This man straight up made me think 3 pointers need to be banned and then systematically dismantled my new found hatred for the 3 ball. Now i feel silly. Wat a vid bro

    • Max Oldendorff
      Max Oldendorff 3 miesięcy temu

      it doesn't dismantle the fact that there are too many threes being taken.

    • kid_a_2000
      kid_a_2000 6 miesięcy temu

      @Peter Yes it does. Plus there are a bunch of people with so called room temperature IQ who are now extremely wealthy (e.g. the Brooklyn Bridge investors). They’re laughing all the way to the bank.

    • Peter
      Peter 6 miesięcy temu

      @kid_a_2000 Lmao does this really work? Do people actually fall for this. You'd have to have room temperature IQ to buy a percentage of a bridge from some guy in a youtube comment section 😂😂

    • kid_a_2000
      kid_a_2000 6 miesięcy temu

      @moffy23 I read that in a “get off me lucky charms” voice. Ey, might boil a potaydah fur ya lass but hope yer noda laddie. If yahr, then fach right off ya perv.

    • kid_a_2000
      kid_a_2000 6 miesięcy temu

      @Peter Exactly! Look, you seem like the kind of person who is smart enough to be sold on a great opportunity when it presents itself. So I’m gonna let you in on a deal: bridge buying. Did you know the George Washington Bridge averages over $900,000 a day in income? Multiply that by 365 days a year. I’ll wait.
      Wow right?! Current inflation and the average increase in gas has had almost no effect on the Q4 projections BUT it has scared away retail investment interest - thus opening a tiny window of opportunity for a savvy investor like yourself. For tax reasons, I’m willing to sell you 10% of the shares for 20k upfront bc I’m short on liquidity after buying the Brooklyn Bridge. That’s more than fair if you don’t think about it. This could change your life. Most people ahead of you in life are like the Blazers focusing on Sam Bowie. This is your chance to take the bulls by their horns and invest in the Michael Jordan of bridges.

  • Poochymama
    Poochymama 6 miesięcy temu +17

    The simply fact is that the 3 pointer rewards 50% more points, but is nowhere near 50% more difficult than the average 2 point shot you can generate. Teams defend it much better today than they used to(they have to to survive), which is why the %es haven't changed much. The reason the 2 point shot is getting more efficient is because the game is more spread out, as you mentioned. Similar to how passing is better per down than running in the NFL, but you won't win with just passing.

    • ellaser93
      ellaser93 Miesiąc temu

      "... won't win with just passing." Tell that to the 2000 LA Rams or the 2010 Saints. I would add the 1998 Vikings, but they didn't make it to the SB.

  • Billy Baloney
    Billy Baloney Miesiąc temu +159

    It's so obvious in pick up games to when buckets are 1s and 2s. Nobody ever says anything, but having the long ball count as TWO BASKETS is actually insane and a terrible way to play.

    • celtsfan13
      celtsfan13 3 dni temu +1

      I play pickup every weekend. games to 7 or 11. no backcourt. call your own fouls. every basket counts for 1. best rules ever

    • onelongwordable
      onelongwordable 26 dni temu +14

      People in my pickup games are so bad at shooting that it's fair 😂

    • Wesley Lewis Texas_Toast_710 Texas_Toast
      Wesley Lewis Texas_Toast_710 Texas_Toast Miesiąc temu +12

      I used to know a guy who could barely run but make almost every three and dominate pick up games.

    • Pete Kowski
      Pete Kowski Miesiąc temu +22

      I've said this for over a decade playing pickup games and nobody seems to understand or care why this is a big deal

  • Omega Dark Mage
    Omega Dark Mage Miesiąc temu

    Maybe the devs need to patch the game if it's broken

  • Jay Swartzentruber
    Jay Swartzentruber Miesiąc temu +2

    I would suggest moving the line back to where it runs side line to side line, eliminating the base line 3 point shot. We already see Curry shooting it from the parking lot. I want to see the big man able to make a difference in the game again, by making defense a big part of the game again. Move the line at least 10 feet back, or maybe even 15 feet. I actually would not be surprised to the European and other leagues around the world do it before the NBA does. Instead of making it a weapon that anyone can shoot, make it the bonus it was really meant to be when it was implemented. I’ve spent a little time watching high school games this past week, and some of those kids were taking shots 5 to 10 feet behind the line, and they were making them. I don’t think making it a 2 1/2 points is the way to go. I think it should be kept, but make it a risk to take it again.

  • John Perkaj
    John Perkaj 4 dni temu

    This was really well made. I want to add that the 3 point line is the reason why they say there is no defense being played today. It stretches out the floor to much.
    I believe the exploitation of the 3 point line is the reason why it looks like there is no defense being played. I honestly think it’s the leagues downfall tbh

  • Jonathan Jackson
    Jonathan Jackson 3 miesięcy temu +8

    The 24 second shot clock was easily (by far) the greatest addition to basketball, not the 3 point shot.

  • SilverTepig
    SilverTepig Miesiąc temu +1

    I like how this video reels you in thinking it’s going to be a bunch of stats and history pointing towards the title, but then uses statistics and arguments that reveal the three as a non-broken mechanic. It really hit me when he showed the graph of 2-point shot percentage growth compared to the 3.
    Fantastic job. Just found your channel today and I’m subscribing.

  • Josh Owens
    Josh Owens 2 miesięcy temu +1

    I think the 3 is just a part of the evolution of basketball as it grows and develops. You can say it ruined or improved the sport, that’s purely an opinion. But, I really think not enough credit is given to coaching staffs because they are always looking for innovative ways to win, coaches started implementing 3’s into their offenses after the great 3 point shooters came along and it stuck because they noticed they started to win. Take nick nurse for example. Literally everyone on the raptors shoots 3’s. They’re not all GOOD at shooting 3s, but they still shoot them because it’s a good look in their offensive scheme. They won a title with that offensive scheme in 2019 so it should be pretty clear as to why the whole league has adapted to 3’s. Anyways thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

  • shaft9000
    shaft9000 5 miesięcy temu +4

    I'll believe the game is 'not broken by the 3 fixation' when PGs and slashers take the 6'-10' floaters and finger-rolls in the paint (and make them) like they used to, instead of constantly kicking out to the perimeter for 3.
    It's sheer WONK, and from casual to expert we all know that the game suffers from this fixation.

  • Kowardly's WoW for Me

    I'm so thrilled you ended this video the way you did. Too many people think, "oh 3s win games" and "oh draw fouls for FTs , ez game". They don't realize that it's everchanging and growing. If something ever becomes "too good" or "overpowered" all it is going to do is breed the best counters you've ever seen. I've said it to all my basketball friends and I'll say it here. Get ready to see some of the best basketball defense we've ever witnessed in the next 5-10 years.

  • Jordan King
    Jordan King Miesiąc temu +1

    When NBA allowed the zone Defense in 2003, that changed the game forever. The Steph Curry era put more emphasis on the 3 pointer. The 3 pointer was a secondary shot. I miss the old days where teams had 3 point specialists that function was to score 3 pointers late in games. I see too many big men shooting 3 pointers which wasn't a thing 15-20 years ago.

  • jay frat
    jay frat Miesiąc temu

    Less movement and everyone hangs out at the 3 point line. More exciting?

  • JeM
    JeM 5 dni temu

    After several years without following the NBA, I was surprised to see the way it is played now.
    Thinking about how to reduce the effectiveness of three-point shots, the first thing I thought of was to increase the weight of the balls. Surely it can be done, although I don't see it clearly. Then I thought about reducing the size of the Basket rings a bit and I really think that is something that could be tried. Shrinking them an inch, for example, and doing some test games seems like the easiest thing in the world, but I don't think the NBA cares much either. In FIBA Basket the problem is not so big but sure they can do it too.
    Three-pointers really made sense when they were more difficult to hit than 2-pointers. If that no longer happens, it doesn't make much sense for them to continue to exist.

  • Marty Chavis
    Marty Chavis 2 miesięcy temu

    For any team to form their entire offense around the three point shot makes the game uninteresting to watch.

  • K G
    K G 3 miesięcy temu

    Remember the great "big man shortage" of the early '00s? I think that's what ruined basketball. Because it took away from the inside game, which forced more 3 point attempts.

  • Keiran Grant
    Keiran Grant 6 miesięcy temu +3

    I dont understand why the 3 didnt catch on back when the NBA was more physical. I would think that players who didnt want to get beaten up in the paint would have just practiced shooting more.
    The ones who complain about 3's being worth too much are usually the ones whose teams lose to a team who is good at shooting 3's

  • Jakefiz1
    Jakefiz1 8 miesięcy temu +1425

    Jimmy this might be your best work. There’s no other NBA youtuber that leaves me more interested, more mindblown, and more in love with the sport. Seriously man, no one does it better. Incredible work!

    • Ice
      Ice 8 miesięcy temu

      This video was messy. .-.

    • Hi my name is JEFF
      Hi my name is JEFF 8 miesięcy temu

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    • hiding
      hiding 8 miesięcy temu +1

      you ever heard of jon bois?

    • Ferrell Linebarger
      Ferrell Linebarger 8 miesięcy temu

      @vcarter86 let's say he did take it into account. what would it matter? He gave a preamble and expressesly states that "basketball isn't math" then presents a data table. The whole point was to basically say the gameplay would have to change drastically to account for any change in the math variables *or* these are the numbers we would see.

    • HomerOJSimpson
      HomerOJSimpson 8 miesięcy temu

      @Gas Gotti yeah, thinking baskeball is my go to, especially on topics that require stats for analytics. Jimmy is cool for videos about the insane playoff series or an outstanding game by a player - basically great at highlights. Jimmy has extreme recency bias and when comparing different eras, he favors players of today by ignoring rule changes and gameplay style changes. For example he just put out a video of Embid, Jokic and Giannis in which he suggest they just 3 of the greatest because of their PER are 3 of the highest ever. If 3 players in the same season have 3 of the highest PERs, any thinking person would realize that the game has changed so much that it’s far easier to rack up PERs than ever. Look at Lebron - his PER this year is almost equal to his career average. Is Lebron today at age 37 the same player he was 24-33? No he is not which is why he went from clearly best player in his prime to maybe 5th to 7th best player this year. His PER being about his career average should indicate the gameplay has changed so therefore you can’t compare PER today to 10 or 20 years ago without adjustments

  • Genaro Derbalian
    Genaro Derbalian Miesiąc temu +1

    Brooo... Thats quality right there... Good video

  • Detached Laconian
    Detached Laconian 6 miesięcy temu +71

    If they changed the value of the 3-pointer to 2.5, then players would start attempting more 2-pointers, which would make the defending teams focus on guarding these, which, in turn, would make it easier to shoot 2.5-pointers. The game balances itself, to an extent.

    • NkThor
      NkThor 14 dni temu

      Yeah, it's such a fundamental flaw in the video yet it seems barely noticed in the comments, being that the value of 2s and 3s are correlated.
      It's funny because it's slightly touched on when mentioning how having to defend 3s make shooting 2s more valuable, but it's not taken to its full conclusion.

    • Adrian Padin
      Adrian Padin 3 miesięcy temu +5

      Exactly. The video is making a circular argument that the 3 point shot is balanced because teams strategize around it, but the reason teams strategize around it is because it exists in the first place. The same could be true of any rule. The real measure of balance is whether or not it makes the game more interesting, strategic, fair, and entertaining.

    • iThinkiHaveEbola
      iThinkiHaveEbola 3 miesięcy temu +2

      L

    • UYigga
      UYigga 3 miesięcy temu +1

      both should worth 2 points, if its statistical more efficient then there is no point on worth 3

    • Jake Lee
      Jake Lee 3 miesięcy temu +1

      Like all invasion type games, theory and planning never properly accounts for adaptation and how FAST the enemy adapts.
      In this way, the EXISTENCE of a shot that provides more points is enough to make the game more engaging.

  • Par Poseidon23
    Par Poseidon23 Miesiąc temu

    Someone's mad that they're favorite team got smoked by curry.

  • Min Naruki-van Velzen
    Min Naruki-van Velzen 3 miesięcy temu +1

    The balance between 3 pointers and 2 pointers was an enviable consequence of the goal of the game and it's rules. Add a four pointer and a new balance will be eventually achieved.

  • Thad
    Thad 8 miesięcy temu +881

    12:24, the players haven’t gotten better at shooting 2-pointers. They’ve just stopped taking the low-percentage 18’ to 20’ shots because it’s more valuable to step back and shoot the three. So without those low-percentage shots, the overall percentage of two-pointers made has risen.

    • KaitouKaiju
      KaitouKaiju 4 miesięcy temu

      @Mitchell John he said the league overall isn't getting better at three's, because the percent is still the same. Yet the percent for twos is rising. And it's not like the league isn't getting better at defending the two as well

    • Justin Levy
      Justin Levy 7 miesięcy temu

      @Tony Sanchez but Bron is older now, less explosive, most vets end up becoming more jump shot oriented as they age.

    • Justin Levy
      Justin Levy 7 miesięcy temu

      Modern NBA defense actually tries to bait you into taking long 2s because they no how inefficient those shots are.

    • CoBBy Gaming
      CoBBy Gaming 8 miesięcy temu

      @Jkev24 which I love bc taking more threes was the only way to beat zone defenses consistently since it’s introduction into the league.

    • Dusan V
      Dusan V 8 miesięcy temu

      @whatsmyageagain I would say that three point shooting is what made Giannis dominant. He's perfect for this meta because threes open a lot of space for his athleticism. He would be a great player without it, but if everyone clogged the paint it would be much harder for him.
      You can see it in the national team. His shooters are terrible so the opponents can clog the paint and he seems lost. On top of that many of his opposition played in the Euroleague with lot less talented shooters so they optimised their game to defend the paint while NBA players are used to defend the three point line even if they don't have to witch contributes to nerfing Giannis.
      That said he would still be better in the 3-pointless NBA than with FIBA rules because of three seconds in defense rule

  • Joar
    Joar 6 miesięcy temu

    Hey! Great vid with a great point. I don't know if this was intentional to spark debate but you made the same mistake as everyone else towards the end when you showed the 2.5 point shot way below the 2 point shot. The 2-pointers should in theory decrease too as there would be less space when there is less incentive to take the 3/2.5-point shot. And the games would end up 50 to 50 instead of 80-80 as they do today.
    Doesn't this also mean, to some extent, that they didn't necessarily draw the line at the perfect distance? Teams have just adapted to it perfectly now and set the meta on offense and defense. So if they had left the line a bit closer like in the 90's, teams would have to eventually play even more up on the shooters and leave space in the box for other players as putting themselves out there risking getting dribbled? In the end evening out the values of 2's and 3's.
    I feel like all this is quite obvious to me coming from the outside (I have now been interested in basketball for a total of 5 hours). Probably because this dichotomy is part of why i decided to watch some basketball content, as the way the game is played, balancing guarding shots while not being left in the dust isn't obvious at first glance.

  • NIGHTFALLDROP
    NIGHTFALLDROP 4 miesięcy temu +1

    Probably the best NBA question I have heard in decades! Truly an awe inspiring conundrum to think about. W/o any stats or a doctorate in history, here is my personal 2¢:
    IMO, the 3 point shot in the NBA isn't broken; it's just evolved. First reason is by personnel. As you stated in your post, the beginning 3 point marksmen in the NBA (which actually started as a novelty of the ABA before the merger), were usually smaller 1-2 guards who as you stated were not athletic enough, nor tall enough to play confidently among the trees clogging the paint (especially since the 3 sec. circle hadn't been added yet). But as exciting as these players became, they were still overall "specialists" and hadn't become the weapons they are today. The TRUE revolutionaries of the 3 pointer came w/ the eventual influx of former Eastern block 4's and 5's who could not only bang down low in the paint. But who could make opponents pay by sniping from beyond the arc. Guys like Detlief Schrepmt and Arvedous Sabonas made American born bigs look stupid as their teams allowed them to stand out by the line thus opening the lane for smaller men to get in for easier layups. But if the other center didn't rotate out to defend, wide open 3 everytime. This move made possible my second opinion: "Everybody's doing it!!!"
    Because the Eastern Bigs showed the game changing ability to shoot from 3 (and the addition of the 3 sec circle not allowing guys to laze about under the rim), teams and coaches started looking for other players of taller (or as tall) stature to become marksmen. Eventually, the league was chock FULL of players 1-5 who became better (if not down right dangerous) from behind the arc. No longer were centers and power forwards just drafted or played as big bodies to clog the paint, the coaches stretched the floor and allowed these new players to shoot it up from everywhere! Since then, several coaches have even instituted more offenses surrounding 3 point shooting as players have become more proficient at hitting them (not to mention doing so has helped to quell the rash of injuries sustained by guys throwing themselves among the trees for flashy dunks and layups). But this technique has also most certainly extended the careers of several players who were assuredly being pushed out the door. Yet a summer's worth of shot training and cardio, they were able to collect a few more years checks by being 3 point specialists.
    Yet do these opinions really answer the question? Again, IMO: Yes...and No. Yes in a sense the 3 point shot has become OVERUSED. Gone are the days of seeing: Mourning, O'Neal and Mutumbo banging down low and flicking hooks to score at the rim. Or the days of: Iverson, Jordan, Bryant and T-Mac slashing to the rim to hammer in dunks and pretty layups while avoiding the bigs. Now everyone seems to take a stance at the 3 point line and chucking up shots like WWII airguns. Which has made the game a little boring. Yet, the good sign is: only the Warriors have been a team of 3 shooters lucky enough to win the ring. While every other team has had to be a blend of opportunistic 3 pointers and hard working, high percentage buckets. This keeps the NBA exciting and level. So before you let the oldies poo poo the new kids in exchange for the good old days...fear not. The NBA we watch now, will evolve again.

  • Anthony Leadley
    Anthony Leadley Miesiąc temu

    Just move the line back a few feet

  • Juho Korhonen
    Juho Korhonen Miesiąc temu +1

    You know those small courts where the 3pt line goes side out of bounds at the freethrow line level?
    Funnily enough i think that could be a good thing in the nba as it would mean that when you balance the floor the corner guys would be in 2pt territory, not 3. This would mean that the 2018-rockets or current mavericks kind of teams that only focus on finding the open 3 wouldnt be as effective as they are now.
    (I dont mean to make nba courts small, i meant to make the 3pt line go side out of bounds before reaching the corner)

  • Eric Garcia
    Eric Garcia 7 miesięcy temu +1258

    Growing up for me, Steve Kerr was one of my favorites for his role in the Bulls as a perimeter threat. How fitting that he ended up coaching the guys that helped make the 3 pointer a go-to offensive tactic in todays basketball.

    • G Basa
      G Basa Miesiąc temu

      @JeremyWM Except if you're in the NBA, you're better than 99% of the basketball players in the world already - even the bench warmers.

    • I MISS MY FAT BICH?
      I MISS MY FAT BICH? Miesiąc temu

      @DTB exactly

    • DTB
      DTB 2 miesięcy temu

      @Trippinator Machine golf is more entertaining than watching a three point contest

    • Minsalt
      Minsalt 5 miesięcy temu +1

      @JeremyWM your not a real sports fan lmao

    • Minsalt
      Minsalt 5 miesięcy temu +1

      @NinJersey bro you dont love basketball if you talk like that

  • hull57
    hull57 3 miesięcy temu +6

    Damn, it's about time someone raised this issue. I've been saying this for the past 10-15 years.
    When the 3-pointer came out in the early 80's I thought this was a great way to bring the little man back back into the game. And it did for a short while. Now, the skills to drive or break a double team are gone. It's all about lobbing the ball at 20 feet and it's gotten insanely boring.

    • hull57
      hull57 3 miesięcy temu

      @mparmpastan it turned into a video of 3 point shots. That's more boring than watching grass grow.

    • mparmpastan
      mparmpastan 3 miesięcy temu +1

      you didnt watch the whole vid did you?

  • Brian Spengel
    Brian Spengel 3 miesięcy temu

    Do the charts factor in which shot is more likely to draw a foul? I feel as though you are much more likely to get an "and 1" with 2 pointers.
    Since missing a shot while you are fouled doesn't show up on the stat sheet, you'd need to start tracking that too.
    1. What's the % chance that a 2 point shot gets fouled.
    2. If the shot misses, what's the expected point value for the 2 free throws
    3. If it goes in, what's the expected value for the "And 1"
    Do the same for 3 pointers and compare.

  • Game Time
    Game Time 6 godzin temu

    This was an excellent video. Really enjoyed the statistics and graphs you showed. I will say though, when teams get into a 3 point shooting contest, it's not fun for me. I like basketball where there is player and ball movement with a variety of shots taken.

  • INFINITE UNIVERSE
    INFINITE UNIVERSE 4 miesięcy temu +5

    The 3 pt shot has changed the league from one where offenses always looked to dump the ball down into the post to the big man, into a league where small guards like Steph and Iverson can now also dominate. What has ruined the league is the Team-Stacking of talented players like we've seen from LeBron and others. And the intentional foul designed to stop fast breaks which ruins much of the excitement of open court finishes.

  • 2Hot2Handle
    2Hot2Handle 2 miesięcy temu

    Maybe 2s should be worth 3 and 3s worth 4. Does that make sense?🧐

  • Marée
    Marée 3 miesięcy temu

    This is an interesting analysis ith the graphs and visuals. I'm not a huge fan of basketball but this has helped me understand about the shot value esp of three point shots. Thanks you.

  • D3Sm17h
    D3Sm17h 6 miesięcy temu +1

    Great video! But I just can't stop wondering: Following your line of arguments, the 2.5-pointer would change the way the game is played to be more 2-pointer centric leaving open spaces for 2.5-pointers, wouldn't it?

    • Hello Thirty Five
      Hello Thirty Five 6 miesięcy temu

      Yes his line of argument is very flawed. His argument is that the meta always reaches equilibrium. And while that's true it doesn't mean the resulting game is interesting.

  • MarMax Gaming
    MarMax Gaming 2 miesięcy temu +2

    It’s even crazier when you do 1s and 2s! The double value, instead of a 2/3rd relationship.
    But anyway, even still it is pretty crazy that a team that makes three 3s can keep up with 5 2s. That’s a big difference.

  • 51Dutchman
    51Dutchman 8 miesięcy temu +870

    I’d argue that the 24 second shot clock slightly edges out the 3 pointer in the biggest change to the sport of basketball - if for no other reason, because if that hadn’t been implemented, the NBA might’ve ultimately folded and the pace of the sport might have never accelerated in a manner that allowed other revolutionary changes (including the 3 pointer) to emerge.

    • 51Dutchman
      51Dutchman 6 miesięcy temu

      @Stuart Fishman Yep! That game is indeed often considered the inflection point when the league knew something had to change to improve the sport.

    • Stuart Fishman
      Stuart Fishman 6 miesięcy temu +1

      The lowest scoring game in NBA history was between the Fort Wayne Pistons and the Minneapolis Lakers. The final score? 19-18 Pistons. The 24-second clock kept teams from controlling the ball for several minutes at a time. That's why it was so revolutionary.

    • Hi my name is JEFF
      Hi my name is JEFF 8 miesięcy temu

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    • Zama p
      Zama p 8 miesięcy temu +1

      Exactly. If you're familiar with football/soccer you know that the pace of the game can be heavily manipulated by the team with possession of the ball. Scoring would fall off and the game wouldn't be as exciting. I agree with you that the shot clock definitely is the biggest change in the game, basketball becomes a different sport without it, where as players still took long distance midrange jumpers without the 3pt line

    • Tom Cruz
      Tom Cruz 8 miesięcy temu +2

      Yeah teams would just hold the ball from the 2nd quarter until the end of the game and the game would finish 30-24. That's how it was before the shot clock and the NBA would have gone bankrupt with that sort of entertainment.

  • vmurda415
    vmurda415 6 miesięcy temu +14

    This might be the best basketball breakdown video I've ever seen. And I've watched hours of them. Well done.

  • J Z
    J Z 2 miesięcy temu +1

    But this is the whole point…it’s not just that three pointers are “too easy” now, or some such nonsense. It’s not the value of the shot in itself.
    It’s the way they impact spacing and every other aspect of the game. What you consider balanced, I consider boring. The problem is that twos are too easy now, as your chart indicates, because there’s too much room to take them.
    The physicality of basketball is gone- lots of extra space, plus a lot of tick tack fouls, equals a game that’s comparatively less interesting. A two that a player really has to work for is infinitely more entertaining than an easy two, or a three. And so is defense!

  • Jay dlc
    Jay dlc 5 miesięcy temu +1

    Love him or hate him, George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan Jr. revolutionized the game. The man institutionalized the three point shot as a ABA commissioner. The Slamdunk contest is not too shabby too.

  • Sonic K
    Sonic K 3 miesięcy temu +9

    I hardly watch any basketball, let alone basketball content. But Jimmy always manages to get me to become so interested in the sport. Hell, he’s probably responsible for over half of my knowledge on the sport. Keep up the great content man.

    • Calvin
      Calvin 2 miesięcy temu

      @Wuss Restbrook basketball is boring asf

    • Sonic K
      Sonic K 3 miesięcy temu

      @Wuss Restbrook nah, the US, just never been that into basketball.

    • Wuss Restbrook
      Wuss Restbrook 3 miesięcy temu

      Are you from europe

  • FOUR SQUARES CHESS
    FOUR SQUARES CHESS 8 miesięcy temu +1390

    I just love how he shows the graphs and explains with it , just a beautiful way to educate. Thanks jxmy

    • Riley Haley
      Riley Haley 8 miesięcy temu

      @HomerOJSimpson I don't take it for gospel lol but I also don't feel the need to be a dick because you disagree... so I stand by what I said

    • HomerOJSimpson
      HomerOJSimpson 8 miesięcy temu +1

      @Riley Haley Why are you telling him to get a life? Jimmy has terrible analytical skills and this video is heavily flawed. You are happy with misleading analysis put in a tabloid type of presentation?
      One major issue with this video is Jimmy didn't understand that defenses adjust to the value of the 3's. He argues the 3pt line is in the perfect spot because the 2pt effectiveness value and 3pt effectiveness value are now equal. It's flawed to think it worked out ONLY because it's at that distance. If you move the 3pt line back a foot or forward a foot, you will see the 2pt effectiveness shooting reach an equilibrium with the 3pt effectiveness shootings. Why? Because the defense would adjust in how hard or loose to play the 3 meaning the 2 effectiveness adjust. A foot further back, the D plays weaker on the D and tighter on the 2 -- which leads to lower 2pt fg% and when the 2pt fg% value is lower than the 3pt fg% value, the D will adjust and start playing the 3pt line harder which would then make 2's easier. The cycle continues.
      At the end of the video (15:29) Jimmy shows pts per attempt for 3's and 2's then adds the 2.5pts if it was at a distance of 3's. This shows Jimmy doesn't understand what he's talking about. If the further shot is now only worth 2.5pts, they will not be chucking up the 3's at the same rate nor would the same players be chucking up the 3's. You will see only the elite shooters take that shot and only when open so the pts/atts would likely be equal to the pts/atts for 2's. It will find an equilibrium.
      This isn't rocket science but Jimmy misunderstood it and it's evidence in that last graph and his analysis of it.

    • HomerOJSimpson
      HomerOJSimpson 8 miesięcy temu +1

      @enkeltrik Exactly. Jimmy is for the highlights but he has a 'tabloid' style of basketball analysis. It's full of flaws and extreme bias to the game now and to today's players.
      One major issue with this video is Jimmy didn't understand that defenses adjust to the value of the 3's. He argues the 3pt line is in the perfect spot because the 2pt effectiveness value and 3pt effectiveness value are now equal. It's flawed to think it worked out BECAUSE it's at that distance. If you move the 3pt line back a foot or forward a foot, you will see the 2pt effectiveness shooting reach an equilibrium with the 3pt effectiveness shootings. Why? Because the defense would adjust in how hard or loose to play the 3 meaning the 2 effectiveness adjust. A foot further back, the D plays weaker on the D and tighter on the 2 -- which leads to lower 2pt fg% and when the 2pt fg% value is lower than the 3pt fg% value, the D will adjust and start playing the 3pt line harder which would then make 2's easier. The cycle continues.
      At the end of the video (15:29) Jimmy shows pts per attempt for 3's and 2's then adds the 2.5pts if it was at a distance of 3's. This shows Jimmy doesn't understand what he's talking about. If the further shot is now only worth 2.5pts, they will not be chucking up the 3's at the same rate nor would the same players be chucking up the 3's. You will see only the elite shooters take that shot and only when open so the pts/atts would likely be equal to the pts/atts for 2's. It will find an equilibrium.
      This isn't rocket science but Jimmy misunderstood it and it's evidence in that last graph and his analysis of it.

    • xTrusxtt
      xTrusxtt 8 miesięcy temu +3

      @Jmezaus ratio

    • enkeltrik
      enkeltrik 8 miesięcy temu +2

      @Riley Haley I'm assuming a lot of people here spend time watching these videos. Some even go on to reply how impressed they are, while in this and some other instances, jxmy's analysis simply doesn't withstand a critical look. Why the ones highlighting this in the comments are those in this scenario who have "no life" must be your personal secret.

  • HartHeimer
    HartHeimer 6 miesięcy temu

    I believe that if the 3-pointer would be longer then more players would have to work on their mid-range game and less hanging around three point line especially from the corner. The three is supposed to be a special reward shot not an equal chance for a good result.

  • jesustenes2
    jesustenes2 5 miesięcy temu +8

    Great video, but I think the conclusion is a bit dumb. Regardless of the amount of points you give to the outside shot, the value of both shots will eventually converge. The question is, how many outside shot attempts are required to reach that equilibrium ? It seems to be around 40, which is too many.

    • jesustenes2
      jesustenes2 5 miesięcy temu +1

      @Vega I might be wrong, but my guess is that it is just a trade-off that defenses have to figure out, and they eventually do. I think it was difficult for the league to catch up until now because of the lack of analytics and because each new generation of players was better at 3-point shooting (I don't think anybody expected that we would get guys like curry dame or trae, and if it still improves it will be at a much slower rate). Imagine the outside shot was worth 4 points, then teams would shoot them even more, which would open up the court even more, which means more 2-point shots would be layups, so their efficiency would increase eventually catching up to the outside shot. The value of both shots converges in the sense that defenses will always find the proper balance on how to defend the outside shot. The way it seems to work now, is that you can basically have a single player that cannot switch to the perimeter (and still he has to be at least decent out there). If the outside shot was worth 4 points, then maybe you would need a 5-out full perimeter defense, and rim protectors would be out of the league. If it were worth less, teams would look to score more inside, so defenses could get away with conceding more open outside shots, because it would become even more valuable to protect the rim (like it was in the past).

    • Vega
      Vega 5 miesięcy temu

      Not sure I understand what you mean. The video takes the value of an individual attempt based off of the combination of value per made shot made and the chance of making the shot per attempt. Average shot made per 2 attempt is 50% (more or less), so theoretically an attempt is worth 1 point. 33% (more or less) per attempt for 3 pointers so those are also about one point per attempt (not per shot made). I don't understand what you mean about them always converging and about the number of shots needed. What am I missing?

  • Roger
    Roger Miesiąc temu +2

    Shooting tons of 3s is fine but taking away great post play is backwards, we have so many dribble drives for easy dunks in todays league

  • Jordan Jee
    Jordan Jee 7 miesięcy temu +2

    I wonder how this logic applies to free throws? I’d imagine since free throws are made at a much higher percentage, the “value” per shot of a free throw is probably significantly higher than 2 & 3 pointers. Then you could make the case that the most unbalanced strategy in the game is trying to draw fouls. Not to mention players can lose playing time if they foul too much.

    • Jordan Jee
      Jordan Jee 7 miesięcy temu

      @Tiago Bordin Yeah, I've heard of that strategy, kinda funny imo. But for someone that is good at free throws, a good strategy would probably be to draw fouls on purpose.

    • Tiago Bordin
      Tiago Bordin 7 miesięcy temu

      I watched some videos abotu Shaquille O'neal and they say on the video the best strategy to stop Shaq was make a foul because he was very bad at free throws...

  • CYMotorsport
    CYMotorsport 8 miesięcy temu +2969

    9:32 thank god - literally had zero idea which way this video was going - an art all in itself. What Morey forgets to add is his team was within 1% of the league average on long ball efficiency. Statistically this is on the money. 3 pointers are a self policing mechanism.

    • Hi my name is JEFF
      Hi my name is JEFF 8 miesięcy temu

      plclip.com/video/RcMT2lG0y1I/wideo.html

    • Leevy
      Leevy 8 miesięcy temu

      @PREDATOR BLR I tell you what. If Kawhi had THAT......shhhhh.....it's over. If a number of todays players had THAT they would be unstoppable. When Lebron turns that on he cannot be stopped but for some reason he isn't consistent. Sadly that grit and grind and mental domination has been put into being a lights out 3 pt shooter. Back in the day they genuinely hated each other too! Haha. That alone gave them some motivation. Have a great day my friend. Hope your health gets better or at least doesn't become worse. 💪

    • PREDATOR BLR
      PREDATOR BLR 8 miesięcy temu

      @Leevy yeah because he had a different mindset. He was like "I'm going to kill you!" Cuz he knew he put a lot more work into his body and skill than these other players. Kobe was like this too, but Jordan had better genetics and didn't hoist up senseless threes with 3 hands in his face. Sometimes I miss that part in Kawhis mentality (the killer instinct I mean).

    • Leevy
      Leevy 8 miesięcy temu

      @PREDATOR BLR Sorry to hear that. I have vitiligo which is also an autoimmune disease but not debilitating. What is debilitating is getting old. Haha. It's all good man. Maybe one day A.I. will be able to come up with some analytics that give us a better idea of cross generation comparisons. That would be cool to see

    • Leevy
      Leevy 8 miesięcy temu

      @PREDATOR BLR Did I say anything about how high someone jumps?? Nope. Sure didn't. Athleticism isnt just about jumping. If Kawhi couldn't stay healthy in todays game, how long would he have lasted being knocked to the floor all game long with the Pistons of the 80s?? Probably not long. I like Kawhi and I love his game. He's not Mike. With todays rules Jordan could not be stopped. Period. He couldn't be stopped when hand checking, bumping and hard fouls were fine. Go look at videos of PLAYERS "opinions" on this topic. Maybe my opinion means nothing because "i probably dont watch" but what kind of words will you say when you hear countless players telling you that he would easily score 45 a game in todays league or with todays rules?? These are players....and some of them are now "analysts". Every generation thinks this way so this is nothing new.

  • DoubleEM Castillano
    DoubleEM Castillano 6 miesięcy temu

    When I was younger, I would always shoot 3s when playing 2k. It made the most sense, it’s worth the most amount of points so if you have a shooter, in theory, you have the game…Now 3s would go in a little less than 50% of the time so I was annihilating teams in Association mode most of the time.

  • Bryan Ramirez Hernandez
    Bryan Ramirez Hernandez 4 miesięcy temu

    These videos just blow my mind. The amount of detail and dedication is respectable.

  • Willz828
    Willz828 4 dni temu

    Itd be dope if it like “activated” for the second half of each quarter or something. Would for sure increase clutch moments

  • Frank Hoppe
    Frank Hoppe Miesiąc temu +1

    everything was fine until multiple guys started hitting 10 3s in a single game and/or hitting ridiculous shots that weren't meant to go in. I still can't stand it when players going for fastbreak-3s AND having success with it. Basketball really went downhill when all that stuff started.

  • NKruman Santos
    NKruman Santos 8 miesięcy temu +306

    In a way that’s why Shaq was so dangerous. He was so threatening close to the basket that the Lakers used him to create incredibly devastating 3-pointers.
    Amazing how many overturns this video has.

  • IndianTwistr
    IndianTwistr 2 miesięcy temu +4

    But I feel that now that it is there, it's an art just as a lay-up or a dunk, cause it's harder than many close range shots with contest or even without it. It enables players who are good at shooting to be in the league. I do not think there would be a place for Trey or even Curry without it.

    • IndianTwistr
      IndianTwistr Miesiąc temu

      @Mark so you mean to say that Curry and the others can only shoot? Alo, i don't feel that passing, rebounding and defense are compromised. it only feels like there is lesser need for penetration by the offence.

    • Mark
      Mark Miesiąc temu

      @IndianTwistr , yea but I'm saying if all you can do is shoot, you shouldn't be in the league just because of that. I mean passing, rebounding, defense is all part of the game as well. These guys shouldn't be catered to just because they can shoot

    • IndianTwistr
      IndianTwistr Miesiąc temu

      @Mark To be more than something, you at least have to be that thing.

    • Mark
      Mark Miesiąc temu

      There shouldn't be if that's all you can do. Basketball is more then just shooting

  • Reinier van Ramshorst
    Reinier van Ramshorst Miesiąc temu +1

    I completely disagree with the title and agree with the video (edit ;-)) I think for too long there was too much dominance of big wrestlers in the paint. Let those guys go to the NFL. 3 Pointers bring more skill and tactics and are more inspiring to people who can't shoulder check a 7 ft athlete

  • Brandon Ruggles
    Brandon Ruggles 2 miesięcy temu

    I don't think I'd even watch basketball if there wasn't a 3 point line. You shouldn't have to be a 7 foot tall monster in order to be competitive.

    • Bill Jones
      Bill Jones 2 miesięcy temu

      Should be a 4 point line 😅

  • DTB
    DTB 2 miesięcy temu +3

    The reason two point percentage has risen is bc they're taking less of those shots and a lot of those points come from easy layups due to no interior defense..flawed

  • JJ J
    JJ J 8 miesięcy temu +382

    I know it’s left field, but I would love to see you break down the efficiency of teams winning after CHOOSING to call a timeout for a last second play vs letting the team play it out. Mike Breen’s call on Curry’s famous shot against the thunder started it off for me; “they have a timeout, decide not to use it…”
    My confirmation bias keeps affirming that not using a timeout yields better results, but I want some jxmy stat graphs to paint the picture.
    No idea how to efficiently get this info though.

    • Walter Flanagin
      Walter Flanagin 7 miesięcy temu

      @WhiteRocksBreaks Arkansas actually😂🤦🏻‍♂️

    • Hi my name is JEFF
      Hi my name is JEFF 8 miesięcy temu

      plclip.com/video/RcMT2lG0y1I/wideo.html

    • WhiteRocksBreaks
      WhiteRocksBreaks 8 miesięcy temu

      @Walter Flanagin UK?

    • Timmy Ggz TV
      Timmy Ggz TV 8 miesięcy temu +1

      great game

    • TheDonUrbas
      TheDonUrbas 8 miesięcy temu +1

      The lack of taking TO may catch the defence of guard but generally with a good coach a TO should help

  • Wonka
    Wonka 4 miesięcy temu +32

    To me, the rise of three pointers didn't make the game itself any worse, it just made watching and enjoying the game worse. I've spoken to my dad about this and we've compared the current state of basketball to a game of horse. Just players taking arbitrary shots for the chance for 1 more point. And that doesn't even take into account how quickly some players launch three pointers from the inbound pass.

    • Feelsgoodman
      Feelsgoodman 3 miesięcy temu +1

      Threes and analytics pretty much killed it. Stylistically, every team kind of looks the same, when that didn't use to be the case. Now, everyone knows that a shit load of pick and rolls + hunt for the three leads to every team trying the same stuff. The only difference is that some teams do it better.

    • D RJ
      D RJ 3 miesięcy temu +4

      its literally the worst thing ever. Only 15 years ago scores over 100 were rare in regulation. scores over 110 were almost always overtime. But now thanks to steph curry we are seeing regulation games of 115, 120 . etc. Hes the greatest shooter ever but hes ruined basketball. Teams have to shoot a bunch of threes even if they are horrible shooters just to have a chance to compete. Centers are shooting 3s, power forwards are shooting threes. Its ridiculous. Now kids are shooting from half court during high school games. its ridiculous

    • nikhil grg
      nikhil grg 3 miesięcy temu

      man you corny i mean its not wrong to play 3 points and ur opinion does nt even matter waste of time ig u should complete ur study first. Back2 school

  • DH 166
    DH 166 2 miesięcy temu

    I don’t even watch basketball and I love this channel! This guy is SO good at what he does.

  • Wes O'Hara
    Wes O'Hara 6 miesięcy temu +1

    Illuminating! Similar to how baseball now skews toward home runs and strikeouts, I've seen in the small amount of NBA action I've watched in recent years looking like it's mostly 3s and dunks. I'm thinking how terrible defenses must be while not considering the expanded territory they need to cover compared to the 80s when I first started watching the sport. While I didn't witness many 3s, my Showtime Lakers put up a lot of points night after night with fast breaks and crisp passing. Not much resemblance to today's game. Many long-time fans suffer from the bias of believing the game should look similar to what we fell in love with as kids and becoming critical when it deviates. But I still thought my criticism of the 3 as valid and became increasing firm in that view toward the beginning of the video. The deeper analysis mostly changed my mind. I still don't care for 7-footers hanging camping out at the arc. However, the 3 isn't necessarily ruining or creating an unbalanced game based on the stats. Nevertheless, I still rarely watch since I'm not all that keen on today's game and the political overtones that have crept in.

  • Dani Edits
    Dani Edits 3 miesięcy temu

    When I watched the Warriors vs Suns game I kept getting frustrated because the Warriors kept shooting 3s and not trying to do layups. Yes i know they were losing and it’s more points but layups are simple and fast and then they could’ve focused on defense. Focusing on defense plus really good layups means points and winning. Not doing crappy defense and only doing 3s. That’s why they freaking lost to the Suns bc the Suns don’t just focus on 3s. 🤦‍♀️

  • Marcusjohns25
    Marcusjohns25 8 miesięcy temu +638

    Honestly, the 3 point line levels the playing field in Basketball. Before, the game used to be a big man's game where height and size made such a big difference because majority of shots were scored inside the paint. The addition of the 3 point line makes shooting skill regardless of size and height very valuable. You can be short but still make a valuable impact as long as you practice how to shoot the ball.

    • Brian Birnbaum
      Brian Birnbaum 7 miesięcy temu

      @Gibran Camus Big men will always have more trouble because of a lower coordination ceiling. It’s not by accident that guards are better shooters.

    • ceceroxy
      ceceroxy 7 miesięcy temu

      @ShiestlifeSam yep

    • ShiestlifeSam
      ShiestlifeSam 7 miesięcy temu

      @ceceroxy nah

    • ceceroxy
      ceceroxy 8 miesięcy temu

      @ShiestlifeSam they need to move the line back a couple feet

    • ShiestlifeSam
      ShiestlifeSam 8 miesięcy temu

      @ceceroxy but it hasn’t tho that’s the narrative the oldheads push but it really ain’t true how is it too far if a team can literally shoot them selves out of a game it happens all the time the average 3 point% has been the same for decades I mean you just watched a video on how it’s not unbalanced it’s perfect farther and it won’t be useful closer and you’ll really see what overpowered really is

  • Albert vives
    Albert vives 6 miesięcy temu

    Honestly I can't agree with you, being that on the final Celtics chose to defend steph deeper than most teams do letting him get more 3 pointers than usual to as not to let the warriors get points from inside with igoudalla

  • Benjamin Lee
    Benjamin Lee 5 miesięcy temu

    Great video. Only nitpick is that the analysis at 15:43 is a bit of a stretch since if the nba really did change the value of the 3 point shot to 2.5, then the graph wouldn’t simply be shifting the 3 point graph down. Players will play differently with the 2.5 shot then they did 3 point shot so the graph could look completely different shape, not just shifting it down

  • Jason Cairel
    Jason Cairel Miesiąc temu

    I’ve always laughed at but secretly rooted for the idea of adding an even further back 4pt line option bc of how deep a lot of the league launches shots

  • Compound Fraxure
    Compound Fraxure Miesiąc temu

    My Dad has always argued for making points in the paint worth 3. That way, you encourage more ball movement and more team play rather than just "get it to the open 3 point guy."