There are excellent defenders, but they can't play defense because they are called foul every single time, meanwhile offense could go dunking and elbowing everyone, and that's still a defensive foul
Offense hasn’t got all that better. If you’ve watched previous videos from JXMYHIGHROLLER you would understand they take more shots per game because they play faster and the three point line being so crucial nowadays. There’s a video that Jimmy posted stating the year Steve Nash won MVP, he averaged about 20 ppg and when he factored in todays game, Nash would have score 25 per game. Oh and Nash had a better shooting percentage than the two he compared Nash with.
Part of this is because the rules have not only changed but in other cased are simply being called differently. The stepback three would be called a travel not too long ago. And it was easier to guard a drive to the basket meaning you could guard a shooter closer. Not to take anything away from todays shooters, because they are phenomenal, but the straight up stat comparison without acknowledging that offenses have it easier than ever does a disservice to the legends of the past. Many of them, if playing in today's league, would put up bigger numbers than they did in their era. Dead-ball era, 90's, whatever era you choose. Offense is has never been harder to defend because of how the rules have changed and how they are being called.
@Joshua Maciel You are blind if you dont think NBA players(compared to the 90s)now are much more athletic, and what I mean is that the advancements in the fitness industry means the guys today have much better training regimens and longevity
@Walz I highly doubt they work harder than the best of past players. At best they work about as hard. Technology sure but that’s not remotely close to being as major of a reason as the rules being incredibly different today than in the past.
Yea he just completely did not include that in this video…Jordan would probably be the top shooter today averaging 45-50pts a game with today’s rules. It’s just so much easier to be a good shooter in todays NBA with the rules so heavily skewed to offensive play.
3:45 Shooting has never been better as a whole yes, but I disagree in that guys like Ray Allen who played in an era where excellent shooters were not as common had it tougher, would it be easier to cover 1 dominant shooter on the perimeter, or 3 of the 5 guys on the floor? I appreciate what Allen did more because excelling within the game using a style that is not as popular and against the grain is more difficult than thriving in a league designed for shooters to excel and where defense is almost impossible
I sometimes feel he need his own segment in NBA today at least once a week., The guy is doing his research well, pure facts and the flow of information and narrative is just epic.
I want to see the NBA allow more to happen on defense to stop the modern offense. It’s getting a little lopsided, I don’t wanna see a league where 30 players are averaging 30 points a game or more, that would be too watered down.
Now this I can agree with. I still like the NBA right now and at least they are FINALLY changing the terrible foul calls when the offensive player initiated contact. There isn't as much as people think the defense can do without a few more rule changes.
What i find interesting is the difference in shot mechanics from the 80s/90s to today. Someone like Jordan was trained to get a lot of lift on his shot so he could shoot over people in the post and mid range. Today, no one jumps as high as Jordan did on his shots. That has to make it easier to shoot from distance, so instead of creating vertical space to shoot, we're now focused on creating horizontal space. It's fascinating to watch.
@timedGuano but i dont think that would make up for how athletic players are noeadays im not saying larry wouldnt be great not at all but he never shot alot of 3s and wasnt even comfortable with shooting them contrsted or of dribbling
@papadoc Larry's best shooting season (free throw) would've placed him in the top5 for 2022. That should tell you he really was as good as he's hyped. In an Era where big men played under the net, Larry chose to play today's game of spreading the court. And he did it nearly as well as anyone today, just not the top. He was in a class of his own then-today he'd just fit right in.
@Are Two Dee Too To be fair, the increase ft% is due to smaller lineups not necessarily ability. So less rim protectors and unskilled bigs like Ben Wallace on the floor instead of small ball 5’s. Most modern power forwards are small forwards or sometimes even SG’s. Derozan was a power forward last year. KD is a power forward this year. Lebron is a power forward this year.
Great analysis, but I want to offer a counterpoint. First of all I do agree with your premise that the league has become more skilled on average over time. I see reserves showing skills that I believe would earn them a starting spot 30 years ago. That said, there are factors which contribute to the improved shooting that have nothing to do with improved skill. Analytics has improved shot selection. Rules changes have facilitated more efficient offense. Before 1994, a foul on a 3pt attempt resulted in 2 free throws. The defense was incentivized to defend the 3 aggressively. In addition, for the past few years, shooters must have a clear landing spot or it’s a flagrant foul penalty 1. You can’t crowd a shooter like the old days. You can’t hand check since 2004. As a result, shooters get much more space than they used to. Don’t get me wrong, I think the science of shooting has improved and NBA players are more skilled on average today, but there are also other factors that have improved scoring. Have average 3pt shootout scores also increased? Would Larry Bird’s competition winning scores fall short today?
Good point, but at the other hand - teams now know how to defend a 3pt line. They're ready for it. Yet somehow it still works well. If you guard too close - they will go closer to the basket and the other way around. It's a skill of pure, efficient shooting, that makes the defense look so bad. Jrue Holiday, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, sometimes can't catch up with his man because he can't be both on the perimeter and in the paint. And there's a lot of other good defenders out there. But that never stops players from going for a shot. Zone defense is one of a factors that inside scoring and mid-range scoring went down, and that's why the league was completely broken in the time it was added. But when more and more shooters realized it's their time - the efficiency of zone defense and defensive schemes began to erase. Now you need to combine zone with the regular defense to even have a chance of stopping those players. But it'll only work if there's at least 1 guy who can't shoot. It's a hard time for defense, and it's not just because of the rule changes
I think another possible reason is because of non-game factors, such as the sport being more popular than before and more lucrative than before, prompting more kids to invest their time into the sport, training and becoming better from a younger age. Maybe more facilities are available for playing the game too. Better equipment, better supplements?
@DraGanixdef because of the Kawhi Leonard/Zara Pachulia incident. Feels like it’s been called more ever since that incident because it happened in a pivotal WCF game.
Absolutely ! Great take ! I have the exact same argument...the fact that it's easier to score, makes it easier for shooters to succeed...Spacing is also in favor of shooters (which wasn't the case in the 90s) ...so it evolved that way, and in a shooters league, the average shooting skill is better, but I'm wondering how the 90s players would have fared if they'd benefitted from the same advantages of today's league !
Every time I see a table like the one at the beginning, I imagine Jimmy saying at the end, “and then, here is Stephen Curry, and here is Lebron James.”
To avoid the lack of intensity in defence, let's assume the intensity is 100% in the playoffs. How do these numbers develop when only playoffs games of the last 20 years are taken into account?
@Larry Bird The Celtics played good half court defense. They were taken advantage of on the break, and because of so many turnovers (leading to break away/open court scoring).
@Alvin Abraham or the gsw just figured out how to play Them. They played consistently drop on screens up high, and payed the price against a good shooting team.
@Preben Pedersen Maybe they couldn't keep up the same intensity they had in the first round after two gruelling 7 game series against the bucks and the heat.
@EST 1981 You can find several quotes of people complaining about travel and palming violations going uncalled back in the 90s. There’s little to no difference in how traveling was enforced in the past compared to now. Players just had a basic fundamental handle. When Iverson came into the league with the ball on a string, guys questioned if he was breaking the rules but refs was letting it go more often than not.
@EST 1981 That’s a common myth. The defensive 3 second rule existed in the 1980’s and 90’s. It was just called an “illegal defense” violation. And offenses back then exploited this rule by putting bigs who couldn’t shoot out on the 3-point line to open up the lane all the time.
@daltonburnett7181 many athletes of the 90s did understand diet, lbj awareness alone would imply he would understand that concept....it wasn't as known but this ain't the 1950s. Smarter athletes understood this already
Today's players have the best long-range shots ever. However, if they played in other eras (with different rules) they would not be able to make those shots. You simply cannot play right up on a player like you used to.
@Arab I think you misunderstood my post. I'm not saying people were more or less talented in other eras, just that the game was different. You cannot look at shooting percentages today and say they are better shooters because the form had to be different. Look at Bird or Jordan in these clips- they had to go vertical back then because players were able to play closer. Now, players are able to use a more accurate style because defenders have to play off. Neither style is better than the other, just different. Basically, 90's players were built for 90's style, today's player are built for today's style.
I simply believe this is false. If you’re good in one era you can be good in another. You don’t think Currys gonna get open? He gets open because the amount of screens set for him, now imagine curry in the 90s with a strong ass big men who was setting screens. Literally impossible to guard. These players are actually statistically playing better defenders too, because if you have to play rough to “play defense” dosent that mean your defense is technically worse? Luka will still get open, curry, Dame, KD, Lebron ( he played in a year of hand checking and averaged 19 ppg i believe it was his first season too). These players will get open as the step back wasn’t even a move you’re anticipate.
Can't dispute the skill level in today's NBA. Just as indisputable is that the product is garbage compared to the 90's. The league is tainted by referees and terrible rules, there is no overcoming this.
I love some of the 90’s and 2000’s stars and many would still be great today but go back and watch the games…. Bad spacing, contested long 2’s, bad switching, and big men just camping in the paint.
@T_T !you got me! You know more about me that I myself do. Cause you are the main character of this story readily available to always be a keyboard warrior against anyone that has a different opinion than yourself. My bad I’m just the side character npc who doesn’t stand a chance against the mighty person that is t_t8661
@Isak Noehr also you're comments are very similar like "if you've watched blah blah blah", I've lived through it, I don't need to re-watch it, now mention your age KID.
@Isak Noehr nah you don't and you haven't watched the Jimmy (this channel's) videos I've shared to you as well. You probably are new to this channel. You went all through the hours thinking what you're going to reply and failed to mention your age 😆L
@T_T ! yes I do play ball, and if you actually watched back old games you’d see the many travels and carries back then too without all old head nostalgia keeping you from being objective
I didn’t think so before but definitely after watching this. There is no way Dame is claiming to be the 2nd best shooter of all time. Clutchest shooter, he may have claim to
Hi Jxmy. Last time, Luka made a statline of 60-20-10, a first in the NBA history. But what amazed me is the Mavs down by 9 in the last 35 sec of regulations but still managed to win the game. Can you make one in the near future?
@Samuel Freitas I’m not saying Larry is breaking the rules, so you don’t even know what I’m saying. You stop fool. Larry bird used step backs occasionally, which his fans love to give him credit for. So now, when all these guys take step backs and use a “zero” step the same way bird did, everyone wants to call a travel now? But they were cool with it back when bird did it? That’s my point. The step back is completely legal and not a travel, which is why bird wasn’t called for it and why players aren’t called for it now. Yet, these old heads still say this bs about guys traveling today… that’s my point. It’s not my trying to act like bird isn’t following the rules… so again, you stop because you don’t even know what I’m saying
Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment the leagues better plain and simple. You old heads don't even remember the names of role players from the 90's, now role players can light it up and go for 30.
what im interested in is finding a way to break down whether shooting a 3 or a mid range is a “tougher” shot considering that mid ranges are more contested, and a lot of threes are less contested but further from the basket, i think it would be a really interesting thing to look into. i’ll forever say layups are the toughest shot in basketball, especially in post ups. and i think it’s a shame that basketball has trended towards the three point line bc watching 3 heavy teams is just watching boring basketball to me. watching a guy chuck up a 3 and it going in doesn’t excite me. steph in 2015-17 was fascinating bc we hadn’t really seen anything like it before. but nowadays it’s just dragging the excitement of the game down imo.
Definitely an evolution of the game due to the 3 pointer & like you said before the 2-pointer is also going up too. Don’t forget the rule changes, the amount of free throws shot, the lax calls on things like carry’s that you talk about in other videos. Comparing them to the past without context isn’t really fair but it definitely shows a crazy contrast of how the game has changed.
Great video as usual. The fact that everyone takes 3s now no matter what position you play (considered a "bad" shot in the old NBA) helps the metric but the fact that you can basically "walk" to separate yourself from the defender is a metric no one talks about. Before Curry and Harding, that side step to give yourself space to shoot was a turnover.
Loved the video, great content as always. Much appreciated. Having said that, I get that the shooters are amazing and much better than previous generations. But, wouldn’t a lot of the new rules, or what the NBA judiciary would allow (dragging the ball, travelling, not allowing hand checking etc.) supports the offence which allows for easier shots and makes it harder for the defence to contest. Thus, making it impossible to compare to previous generations. What Reggie Miller had to go through to get an open shot was much harder than the shooters of today. I personally don’t love it. Points and scoring just loses its meaning and being special. It’s like watching the gymnastic team performing amazingly athletic tricks with no real opposition.
@Trenton Ghorley I think Lebron has accomplished more but I appreciate Steph more as an “outlier” having his success at his size, but when you look at some of the teams Lebron carried on his back to a finals appearance it’s insane
@Ian Rotheroe True, I cant argue with that logic. Curry had help on the road to success. I still feel he was the biggest difference maker in the last 20 years besides maybe Lebron, but even then I cant give it to either one. Lebron bouncing all over the place chasing rings is ugly
@Trenton Ghorley look up his numbers before and after Kerr, Klay, Draymond, and when he was there Durant arrived, the league as a whole changed when the Warriors super team was assembled. Curry since then has been great but all I’m saying is it’s worth noting how much the Warriors organization has put around him to make him as great as possible, along with the landscape of the league changing. If Ai and Nash played in this era and Curry back then, we’d be having a very different conversation
Good vid, as always. Interesting to see the changes through the generations. Statistically all these current lads are "better" than past players etc. with the comparison of defences in different eras, plus just knowing the players in different eras, it still doesn't change that those top-tier players of the past would have dominated in a scary way in today's league. Imagine, just imagine Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Bird or MJ with today's training regimes, rules and "defence"... Would trample the league in any era
Would love to see a video of how defense has become stale or become worse over the years due to rule changes and lack of emphasis to improve on that side of the ball individually.
it is not the defense that makes it a shooters league, they became more volume and efficient shooters. Did you watch those games on 80's and 90's, most of the time they were open on the midrange and yet they cannot hit it and you gonna say it was because of the defense of that era, i don't think so. As explained on this video those who can shoot on that era became specialist only, they were spot up shooters, they were not part of the regular play unlike now.
Man, I love seeing a good 3-pointer. In one shot you can see the culmination of skill, good fundamentals, and practice. I love when a shooter steps back behind the line, sets their feet, and you can see the energy transfer from their toes to their fingertips just right. It's a thing of beauty 🤌🏾
I’ve been watching this man since I was 13. Since he was playing 1v1 with his girlfriend type, and he was talking about the best high school teams. This man keeps getting better at this PLclip game every day and he deserves all the success he gets. Much love Jimmy, your videos have gotten so good I can’t even miss one without feeling like I missed the premiere of a new episode to my favorite show😭😭
Great video yet again Jimmy. I would personally love to hear your take on the NBA refereeing "problem" people are talking about today. Is there really one and if so, in what sense? As some top players have alluded to on social media, are NBA refs today too "sensitive" and make too many "soft" calls? Has there been any acknowledgment of it by the NBA and where do their interests lie? What can feasibly be done about it?
It’s scary how amazing Steph Curry still is. In a game full of shooters, he’s still the best shooter today. You can replicate him, but you can never duplicate him.
Can you please make vids analyzing the NFL as well? I feel like the changes going on, and the performances of a few great players, are just as historic and noteworthy.
I want to see Jimmy make a video about nowadays defense compared to old school, also players impact on both defense and offense. I'm in my 20s but I enjoy the 90s and early 2000 basketball more than now. I grew up watching and playing ball but I can't watch a whole game anymore, It's all about stats and individualism now. The last time I enjoyed a whole was 2016 finals.
Absolutely amazing video Jimmy! I wanted to ask now that you’ve made a video about the impact of the 3-pointer and the efficiency of shooters skyrocketing in the NBA, what you think about Bol Bol’s recent performances this season? I know it might seem kind of odd seeing he’s a big man but his shooting beyond the arc is a thing of beauty. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about him and his otherworldly shooting (for a big man). I wanted to repeat: amazing video! Great quality content as always! God bless you, I hope you have a blessed Christmas.
I have to say this is one of the rare videos from you where I kind of don't really feel it's right. I think the way basketball is played has huge responsibility in that change too. Since rules give way better situation to offense to shoot and physical defense is banned, you have to fight less for your shot and your points and you probably are less beaten/tired when shooting (including free throws). By the way it's funny to see Larry Bird with some blood on the jersey to illustrate him on free throw line. It's true players work way way more on their 3pts shots than in the past, it's the biggest today asset so they are better, event "bigs". But it's more a focus because the rest is depreciated and basketball is less and less balanced. One real good example of the change is when you watch Derek Harper defense on Kenny Smith in 94 and after that when you were not authorized to hand check the player in D on the PG anymore. Then from then, to make NBA more entertaining, they've changed the rules more and more to penalize defense from stopping scores. So for me it seems unfair to really compare like that. You know you shoot better when you don't have to run before, you know you shoot better when you don't have to defend 24 seconds before, you know you shoot better when you don't get hit/touched all the time by your defender before/during your shot.
Im a hockey fan but i love watching jimmy’s videos there so entertaining and give me so much info on basketball. I wanted to ask jimmy if he sees this (which he probably will not) what are your rankings on players without all the awards and chips just playing ability?
Said it before: when a guard (hell anyone, now) can come down and *consistently* hit 3s, he is as dominant as any big who's roamed the hardwood. This truly is skill evolution. Also, it's good to see the numbers bear out the eye test. It's a different game, and our understanding should be changing long with it, something I know is difficult for many. It's 2023. We can't look at the game in terms of pre-merger or postmerger eyes anymore. This is postmodern basketball, if ever there were such a thing. As the game has evolved, so , too, should our understanding of it.
Awesome job once again my man. I do wonder though, how much impact are the rule changes in the modern games having with the increase of points and shooting. I feel that the refs are not calling the travel/carry/stepback3 as much as they did in the past. So now, shooters are better at pure shooting, but the league rules are making it easy for them to have a good shot. At least thats how it seems to me. Defenders are discouraged from being tough and pesky.
@Eric you so young you don’t even know the rules back then huh? 😆 Doubles were legal my man. Triples, quadruple, five man trap. You just couldn’t zone up. Speakin of rules, heard of the Jordan Rules? MJ was doin work in paint’s full of 5 defenders knocking him to the ground on every drive out for blood. You thinkin the 80s was all 1 on 1 ball is just hilarious.
@Number1KcFan MJ was taking 13 mid range attempts compared to guys taking 3 per game lol. This is like me saying Steve Kerr is a better 3pt shooter than Kerr because he has a higher % . By the way, MJ had seasons shooting over 50% from mid-rnage lol
@Mik I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers from but he shot 33% 3pt reg season/playoff and 37% 3pt in the Finals. I’m also not sure about the FORCING HIM to take 3pt shots when Zion at 6’6 takes 0.7 3pt attempts per game lol
I loved basketball as a child, and fondly remember the Sonics at their best, and still feel that loss against the Nuggets. Damn, I even remember Matumbo or whatever's facial expression from way back than. I have only recently gotten back into it, thanks to players like Curry, and its cool to see a lot of my views on how the sport is simply more exciting today based on shooting ability being validated by data. I also happen to be a behavior technician, data is our bread and butter. One of the things I think has changed is the sport is more about finesse than aggression. Before, it was all about who can dunk the hardest and one up others, and this has thankfully changed.
The HighRoller showing us this breakdown is incredible! The data is overwhelming I can't imagine how legends would even hold up to standards of today. Some for better some for worse would be interesting to see that!
The reason scurry changed the game when no other shooter did is because he’s the only one who’s been the primary ball handler/decision maker for the team
What makes me even more impressed than the numbers of today's shooters in the "shooters league" is that for a couple of years.. there are certain names that are constantly on the MVP race and they have other ways to impact the game. The last time a volume shooter won the MVP award was 5 seasons ago... Than Giannis and Jokic won each twice... and THAT shows how amazing these guys are...
As a short guy that is obsessed with basketball I love the three point shot. It allows me to come to any pick up game and impact it without size. It's the great equalizer. There's nothing like the sound of a ball swooshing through the net. When you get into that zone where you feel like you can't miss it is sublime.
@Milan954 yeah champ it is. I don't just hang out on the 3pt line the whole game and chuck up a 3 every chance I get. I'm a great passer and a great team defender. I set picks, cut to the basket, pick pockets, and can hit a jumper or floater from just about anywhere. I'm a hustler and a team leader on both sides of the floor, whether I have the ball or not. There is no denying though that being 5'6" has its limitations. The 3 point shot takes away many of the advantages taller players have against me and negates many of my disadvantages. Being good at shooting 3s forces the defense to not slack off and hang out in the paint leaving more room for my team mates to operate. The threat of my 3 allows me to better beat me defender off the dribble. In essence, my whole game flows from my ability to hit 3s whether I'm taking them or not. Ya know, kinda like Steph, just not as good.
Oh god so basically 3 point spamming is your great equalizer. Just learn how to be an actual point guard. Style your game around a Tony Parker let's say. Bros penetration and finishing was unmatched despite his size
Jxmy really does give us a documentary of history in a way that nobody else can compete with. This man is making basketball history a full on college course, not just a minor fascination. There's so much to study and learn about NBA history and this man does his research.
When you talked about the defensive side of things I was thinking dudes from the old days would put it on em that's why I think people from the old days would still be good because they knew what defense was it could be perimeter or interior they would clamp them up block so don't say people were plumbers when they knew the game was physical and not shooting like now days
It’s cool to see the game evolving towards this. Back in my hopping days in rec league and high school I used to shoot a high volume of 3s compared to the average kid. My coaches thought I was crazy until they saw it going in at 25-40% rate. I was always conflicted by the old stigma against 3 pt shooting but turns out the data is proving that 50% points bonus going from a 2 to a 3 is no joke
Watching the western conference finals last year was some of the worst interior defense I’ve ever witnessed. Players were just waltzing down the lane and barely being contested. The shooters today certainly have honed their craft - yes - but you’re not placing it in the context of rules and refereeing that favors the offensive player to a level I’ve never seen before, allowing them more room to create their shot through allowing more traveling, palming, and less contact overall from the defensive player. It shouldn’t be easier to score under the NBA rules than it is in FIBA, yet it is. It doesn’t invalidate your video, but it does mean it’s conclusions need to be taken with more than a grain of salt.
Bring back the hand check and allow more contact and watch those efficiency ratings drop like a rock. People are getting bored of only offensive basketball. There's a reason why the 90's are regarded has the best NBA decade. Not overly brutal, a balance between the offense and defensive flows and some of the best artists the game has ever seen.
I have a theory that hand-checking might actually reduce injuries... and would give defenders something worth watching. With hand-checking both the offense and the defense know where the players are. In the modern era, offense is largely left alone while defenders try and grab the ball, leading to a lot of uncontrolled movement. With hand-checking, the defender knows where the offense is and can adjust their position accordingly, with the offense at least having awareness of their defender when they land or drive. Honestly though, it's likely more the lackluster "strength" and conditioning routines.
Merry Christmas Jxmy to you and yours. Thank you so much for putting the hours into making these videos accurate, compelling, and entertaining. One of the best channels on this website. Cheers.
I remember when this was a brand new thing! The Chicago Bulls were killing it and I remember looking at some of the earliest charts especially for the Bulls.
this video has showed me th importance of context when looking at stats. all these stats sown great but when they are give while minimizing the context around the stats it makes me feel a bit dirty. i dont agree with the older heads that the newer players wouldn't survive in the league back then, as to me the reason the defense is so soft is not because the players are bad at defense or are soft in them selves, but because the players aren't allowed to play hard defense. i think the stats are getting better simply because that is what happens with time things improve when you already have a bases to work off. Training improvement, nutrition improvements, style of play changes hell even rule reinforcement changes aside i think you would still see the stats improve. i think its not right to use "stats" to shit on the skills of past players because its not that players themselves where less talented of less innately skilled than the ones today its simply progress of time and of course the focus on offense. Personally i think steph curry played say during the time of Larry and vice versa, Larry may not reach the point steph is today but it would be steph who you would show as the best shooter at the time is only the 8 best shooter of today's league because of stats. I'm 22 i have no attachment to these older players hell almost all my favorite players ever are playing the game right now. I just think that when you dont look at context and only look at what it says on the paper, it can give a very incorrect look on the happenings of reality.
Great video and analysis. Hard to believe, though, that you make no mention of the softening of the defensive rules, hand checking, etc. Shooters can shoot now because they aren't getting blasted every time they come off a screen.
How do you just blow past and not mention the ridiculousness of Curry's attempts and % where he has the highest % with more than 4 attempts per game more than the next highest 😂 best shooter of all time
Could you do a vid breaking down the era with the highest density of DEFENSIVE monsters? My guess would be the mid 1990's when the big men dominated. Shaq, Mutombo, Robinson, Duncan, Olojowan ... so many shot blockers. Not even mentioning rebounding monsters like Rodman and steals leaders like Payton and Jordan. That was a time to be a teenage NBA fan.
Jimmy I really hope you see this and talk about it. I honestly think with all this evolution you’re showing us about the nba it would be insane to not have lebron as the goat because he was able to adapt and in my opinion MJ would be DeRozan or Kawahi in todays nba
Your videos are to a point where one is just left speechless and all there is to do is to applaud one of the greatest content creators this world has seen 🙌👏🤩
Honestly as much as the offensive schemes have advanced and as much as players have trained to shoot the defense has equally declined. Removing hand checking, the excessive “shooter sweep” fouls and the rapid whistle for even a touch has gotten WAY out of control also in the last 5-7 years as well. The NBA wanted to speed the game up and create ratings which has evolved the game. But the defense has devolved just as much.
Love your videos & love the fact that, even when MJ is not the top, there's always room to remaind us that THE 23 was the best to ever play the game. 😁 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🐐
Dude great video. Can you do one now on Steals and Blocks. I'd be interested in seeing the comparison through generations. I think there might have been better defense back in the day.
I do appreciate the acknowledgement of the issue of defensive effort (and video effort), however, if you look at NBA rule changes over the past few years, the rules don't seem to allow you to play good defense compared to previous eras. I.e. late 80's to late 90's. A one-to-one comp in terms of defense can be risky.
This is the kind of video that glues someone's rear end to the seat. So impressive man - the script, the scenes and the music - perfect~! I can only imagine the amount of hours that goes into it! Love from Sri Lanka!
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0:15 I believe the jump in Kobe's % of 3P FGA jumped in his last season was a result of minimizing injury. However, watching games from that season I felt his best FGA came from the midrange and/or low block. However, it's possible that his legs and longer defenders made it difficult for him to shoot over them.
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Omg, I barely started the video and I love it. My guy. I have been trying to explain to people why shooting has changed the game, for the better in my opinion, and the way defenses can play. I grew up watching ball in the 90s and I can tell you most of the teams playing today could not be guarded by even the best defenses back then. Shooting just spreads the floor too much compared to what they were having to guard back then. These guys are still crazy athletes too so the close outs just leave guys hanging out in no mans land.
You are in a league of your own with these NBA analysis videos. The charts, graphs, the math.. you’re my favorite NBA PLclipr by far. Please don’t ever stop doing this 🔥
That's crazy, curry and durant were both averaging 90 percent from free throw this season and in 2013. I know they are good at free throws but they are really consistent.
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Honestly I really would like to see the next generation getting as good on defense as on shooting. That would be the ultimate league
There are excellent defenders, but they can't play defense because they are called foul every single time, meanwhile offense could go dunking and elbowing everyone, and that's still a defensive foul
@Isaiah White Rules have definitely changed which favor the offense
Defense is really different from offense, one can rapidly evolve in many different ways and one simply couldn’t
Offense hasn’t got all that better. If you’ve watched previous videos from JXMYHIGHROLLER you would understand they take more shots per game because they play faster and the three point line being so crucial nowadays. There’s a video that Jimmy posted stating the year Steve Nash won MVP, he averaged about 20 ppg and when he factored in todays game, Nash would have score 25 per game. Oh and Nash had a better shooting percentage than the two he compared Nash with.
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Part of this is because the rules have not only changed but in other cased are simply being called differently. The stepback three would be called a travel not too long ago. And it was easier to guard a drive to the basket meaning you could guard a shooter closer. Not to take anything away from todays shooters, because they are phenomenal, but the straight up stat comparison without acknowledging that offenses have it easier than ever does a disservice to the legends of the past. Many of them, if playing in today's league, would put up bigger numbers than they did in their era. Dead-ball era, 90's, whatever era you choose. Offense is has never been harder to defend because of how the rules have changed and how they are being called.
@Joshua Maciel You are blind if you dont think NBA players(compared to the 90s)now are much more athletic, and what I mean is that the advancements in the fitness industry means the guys today have much better training regimens and longevity
@Walz I highly doubt they work harder than the best of past players. At best they work about as hard. Technology sure but that’s not remotely close to being as major of a reason as the rules being incredibly different today than in the past.
Its because the players are better, due to having better technology and working harder
Yea he just completely did not include that in this video…Jordan would probably be the top shooter today averaging 45-50pts a game with today’s rules. It’s just so much easier to be a good shooter in todays NBA with the rules so heavily skewed to offensive play.
3:45 Shooting has never been better as a whole yes, but I disagree in that guys like Ray Allen who played in an era where excellent shooters were not as common had it tougher, would it be easier to cover 1 dominant shooter on the perimeter, or 3 of the 5 guys on the floor? I appreciate what Allen did more because excelling within the game using a style that is not as popular and against the grain is more difficult than thriving in a league designed for shooters to excel and where defense is almost impossible
we do not deserve jxmyhighroller man. this man’s videos are too good !
I sometimes feel he need his own segment in NBA today at least once a week., The guy is doing his research well, pure facts and the flow of information and narrative is just epic.
Lol its average research at best. It probably takes more skill to edit the videos with the different highlights and graphs
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I want to see the NBA allow more to happen on defense to stop the modern offense. It’s getting a little lopsided, I don’t wanna see a league where 30 players are averaging 30 points a game or more, that would be too watered down.
@Sarcasm360 I wonder if y’all actually go back and watch full games of the 90’s cause handcheck fouls were the most common fouls called. Smh.
@Ace Scoring increased during the 2001-02 season from 94.8 ppg to 95.5 ppg lol
That would just make a new standard of excellence. 40 a game could be the new 30; where just a handful of players could achieve it
Unless you allow flagrant fouls, not possible
Now this I can agree with. I still like the NBA right now and at least they are FINALLY changing the terrible foul calls when the offensive player initiated contact. There isn't as much as people think the defense can do without a few more rule changes.
What i find interesting is the difference in shot mechanics from the 80s/90s to today. Someone like Jordan was trained to get a lot of lift on his shot so he could shoot over people in the post and mid range. Today, no one jumps as high as Jordan did on his shots. That has to make it easier to shoot from distance, so instead of creating vertical space to shoot, we're now focused on creating horizontal space. It's fascinating to watch.
@timedGuano but i dont think that would make up for how athletic players are noeadays im not saying larry wouldnt be great not at all but he never shot alot of 3s and wasnt even comfortable with shooting them contrsted or of dribbling
@papadoc Larry's best shooting season (free throw) would've placed him in the top5 for 2022. That should tell you he really was as good as he's hyped. In an Era where big men played under the net, Larry chose to play today's game of spreading the court. And he did it nearly as well as anyone today, just not the top. He was in a class of his own then-today he'd just fit right in.
@Are Two Dee Too To be fair, the increase ft% is due to smaller lineups not necessarily ability. So less rim protectors and unskilled bigs like Ben Wallace on the floor instead of small ball 5’s. Most modern power forwards are small forwards or sometimes even SG’s. Derozan was a power forward last year. KD is a power forward this year. Lebron is a power forward this year.
@Marcel3 what did i say?
@Are Two Dee Too also players just being better
Man puts it all together so well. I feel like I’m watching an ESPN segment
Just like an ESPN segment, except that it doesn't suck.
ESPN sucks
Never has Espn matched this level of analysis. It will kill all the mainstream shallow debates.
ESPN is terrible compared to this (as is most legacy media). TV stopped being the bench mark in the mid to late 2010s.
@ANGEL G I think he should ask for a max since he’s a free agent anyways.
Great analysis, but I want to offer a counterpoint. First of all I do agree with your premise that the league has become more skilled on average over time. I see reserves showing skills that I believe would earn them a starting spot 30 years ago. That said, there are factors which contribute to the improved shooting that have nothing to do with improved skill. Analytics has improved shot selection. Rules changes have facilitated more efficient offense. Before 1994, a foul on a 3pt attempt resulted in 2 free throws. The defense was incentivized to defend the 3 aggressively. In addition, for the past few years, shooters must have a clear landing spot or it’s a flagrant foul penalty 1. You can’t crowd a shooter like the old days. You can’t hand check since 2004. As a result, shooters get much more space than they used to. Don’t get me wrong, I think the science of shooting has improved and NBA players are more skilled on average today, but there are also other factors that have improved scoring.
Have average 3pt shootout scores also increased? Would Larry Bird’s competition winning scores fall short today?
Good point, but at the other hand - teams now know how to defend a 3pt line. They're ready for it. Yet somehow it still works well. If you guard too close - they will go closer to the basket and the other way around. It's a skill of pure, efficient shooting, that makes the defense look so bad. Jrue Holiday, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, sometimes can't catch up with his man because he can't be both on the perimeter and in the paint. And there's a lot of other good defenders out there. But that never stops players from going for a shot. Zone defense is one of a factors that inside scoring and mid-range scoring went down, and that's why the league was completely broken in the time it was added. But when more and more shooters realized it's their time - the efficiency of zone defense and defensive schemes began to erase. Now you need to combine zone with the regular defense to even have a chance of stopping those players. But it'll only work if there's at least 1 guy who can't shoot. It's a hard time for defense, and it's not just because of the rule changes
I think another possible reason is because of non-game factors, such as the sport being more popular than before and more lucrative than before, prompting more kids to invest their time into the sport, training and becoming better from a younger age. Maybe more facilities are available for playing the game too. Better equipment, better supplements?
@DraGanixdef because of the Kawhi Leonard/Zara Pachulia incident. Feels like it’s been called more ever since that incident because it happened in a pivotal WCF game.
Let us not forget the rule change that makes this a shooters league the switch from man defense to zone defense
Absolutely ! Great take ! I have the exact same argument...the fact that it's easier to score, makes it easier for shooters to succeed...Spacing is also in favor of shooters (which wasn't the case in the 90s) ...so it evolved that way, and in a shooters league, the average shooting skill is better, but I'm wondering how the 90s players would have fared if they'd benefitted from the same advantages of today's league !
Every time I see a table like the one at the beginning, I imagine Jimmy saying at the end, “and then, here is Stephen Curry, and here is Lebron James.”
To avoid the lack of intensity in defence, let's assume the intensity is 100% in the playoffs. How do these numbers develop when only playoffs games of the last 20 years are taken into account?
@Larry Bird The Celtics played good half court defense. They were taken advantage of on the break, and because of so many turnovers (leading to break away/open court scoring).
@Alvin Abraham or the gsw just figured out how to play Them. They played consistently drop on screens up high, and payed the price against a good shooting team.
@Preben Pedersen Maybe they couldn't keep up the same intensity they had in the first round after two gruelling 7 game series against the bucks and the heat.
@Larry Bird or they had their defense broken...
@Preben Pedersen Clearly the Celtics couldn't keep the intense defense on the Warriors. It was hard for them to keep focus on the defensive end.
Absolutely disgusting to see how people try to discredit this generation. Thanks jimmy for this upload. Goes to show how much the league has evolved.
@EST 1981
You can find several quotes of people complaining about travel and palming violations going uncalled back in the 90s. There’s little to no difference in how traveling was enforced in the past compared to now. Players just had a basic fundamental handle. When Iverson came into the league with the ball on a string, guys questioned if he was breaking the rules but refs was letting it go more often than not.
@EST 1981
That’s a common myth. The defensive 3 second rule existed in the 1980’s and 90’s. It was just called an “illegal defense” violation. And offenses back then exploited this rule by putting bigs who couldn’t shoot out on the 3-point line to open up the lane all the time.
@daltonburnett7181 many athletes of the 90s did understand diet, lbj awareness alone would imply he would understand that concept....it wasn't as known but this ain't the 1950s. Smarter athletes understood this already
@Javigar13 you need a lesson on the gather and how it was used in the 90s, perfected now but yeah
@FranciscoPizarro1478 zone defence from college players isn't the same....cmon man. You make alot of sense but this....also alot of smaller schools
Bruh, Bird had a NASTY step back
He was breaking ankles and egos
The one move, which he fooled the defender by waving the ball over their head and swished it😱😱
Today's players have the best long-range shots ever. However, if they played in other eras (with different rules) they would not be able to make those shots. You simply cannot play right up on a player like you used to.
@Arab Curry would be called for traveling 10 times per game and his set shots would get thrown into the 3rd row. He'd have to make MAJOR adjustments.
@Arab I think you misunderstood my post. I'm not saying people were more or less talented in other eras, just that the game was different. You cannot look at shooting percentages today and say they are better shooters because the form had to be different. Look at Bird or Jordan in these clips- they had to go vertical back then because players were able to play closer.
Now, players are able to use a more accurate style because defenders have to play off. Neither style is better than the other, just different.
Basically, 90's players were built for 90's style, today's player are built for today's style.
I simply believe this is false. If you’re good in one era you can be good in another. You don’t think Currys gonna get open? He gets open because the amount of screens set for him, now imagine curry in the 90s with a strong ass big men who was setting screens. Literally impossible to guard. These players are actually statistically playing better defenders too, because if you have to play rough to “play defense” dosent that mean your defense is technically worse? Luka will still get open, curry, Dame, KD, Lebron ( he played in a year of hand checking and averaged 19 ppg i believe it was his first season too). These players will get open as the step back wasn’t even a move you’re anticipate.
Stats just keeps proving this is the best era of hoopers
Can't dispute the skill level in today's NBA. Just as indisputable is that the product is garbage compared to the 90's. The league is tainted by referees and terrible rules, there is no overcoming this.
I love some of the 90’s and 2000’s stars and many would still be great today but go back and watch the games…. Bad spacing, contested long 2’s, bad switching, and big men just camping in the paint.
You’ve been lied to
Lol , playoffs are so fun to watch compared to boring 90s with no skill and just bigs pushing and shoving in the post
There were games back in the day with Bird vs Jordan that were near 270 points!
Bird took Jordan for 6 series in the playoffs with points like that!
The most impressive for me is that with all these big changes in scoring, MJ still holds the most points in a single playoff game. Food for thought.
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@Isak Noehr also you're comments are very similar like "if you've watched blah blah blah", I've lived through it, I don't need to re-watch it, now mention your age KID.
@Isak Noehr Watch Jimmy's videos about the topic and come back to me, not just spewing your "opinion".
@Isak Noehr nah you don't and you haven't watched the Jimmy (this channel's) videos I've shared to you as well. You probably are new to this channel. You went all through the hours thinking what you're going to reply and failed to mention your age 😆L
@T_T ! yes I do play ball, and if you actually watched back old games you’d see the many travels and carries back then too without all old head nostalgia keeping you from being objective
Jimmy talking about the evolution of shooting for the 10th time
I didn’t think so before but definitely after watching this. There is no way Dame is claiming to be the 2nd best shooter of all time. Clutchest shooter, he may have claim to
we need a video about the ref situation in the nba
There is one in thinking basketball
Kinda goes to show you than a revolutionary era of a sport is only a revolutionary player away.
always an amazing vid. thanks jimmy
What did you learn from this?
Hi Jxmy. Last time, Luka made a statline of 60-20-10, a first in the NBA history. But what amazed me is the Mavs down by 9 in the last 35 sec of regulations but still managed to win the game. Can you make one in the near future?
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I wanna see them call more travels and see how that changes some of these players offenses.
They already calling it are you even watching nba games my goodness🤦
This so much. It's hard to watch sometimes.
Seeing nba players get away with weak ass carry crossovers makes me so frustrated
@Samuel Freitas I’m not saying Larry is breaking the rules, so you don’t even know what I’m saying. You stop fool. Larry bird used step backs occasionally, which his fans love to give him credit for. So now, when all these guys take step backs and use a “zero” step the same way bird did, everyone wants to call a travel now? But they were cool with it back when bird did it? That’s my point. The step back is completely legal and not a travel, which is why bird wasn’t called for it and why players aren’t called for it now. Yet, these old heads still say this bs about guys traveling today… that’s my point. It’s not my trying to act like bird isn’t following the rules… so again, you stop because you don’t even know what I’m saying
Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment the leagues better plain and simple. You old heads don't even remember the names of role players from the 90's, now role players can light it up and go for 30.
@Michael Gieseler Larry? Bruh, Ja Morant carrys the ball every single time, stop
Jimmy you could upload every single goddamn day and I’d watch ever single video.
what im interested in is finding a way to break down whether shooting a 3 or a mid range is a “tougher” shot
considering that mid ranges are more contested, and a lot of threes are less contested but further from the basket, i think it would be a really interesting thing to look into.
i’ll forever say layups are the toughest shot in basketball, especially in post ups. and i think it’s a shame that basketball has trended towards the three point line bc watching 3 heavy teams is just watching boring basketball to me. watching a guy chuck up a 3 and it going in doesn’t excite me. steph in 2015-17 was fascinating bc we hadn’t really seen anything like it before. but nowadays it’s just dragging the excitement of the game down imo.
Definitely an evolution of the game due to the 3 pointer & like you said before the 2-pointer is also going up too.
Don’t forget the rule changes, the amount of free throws shot, the lax calls on things like carry’s that you talk about in other videos.
Comparing them to the past without context isn’t really fair but it definitely shows a crazy contrast of how the game has changed.
Great video as usual. The fact that everyone takes 3s now no matter what position you play (considered a "bad" shot in the old NBA) helps the metric but the fact that you can basically "walk" to separate yourself from the defender is a metric no one talks about. Before Curry and Harding, that side step to give yourself space to shoot was a turnover.
Loved the video, great content as always. Much appreciated.
Having said that, I get that the shooters are amazing and much better than previous generations. But, wouldn’t a lot of the new rules, or what the NBA judiciary would allow (dragging the ball, travelling, not allowing hand checking etc.) supports the offence which allows for easier shots and makes it harder for the defence to contest. Thus, making it impossible to compare to previous generations. What Reggie Miller had to go through to get an open shot was much harder than the shooters of today.
I personally don’t love it. Points and scoring just loses its meaning and being special. It’s like watching the gymnastic team performing amazingly athletic tricks with no real opposition.
What I’m impressed about is that lebron was in both eras and still was able to evolve his game and be at the top constantly
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Tony snell has not missed a free throw since 2019
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Steph raised the game for all of us!! A legend in his own right!!
@Ian Rotheroe He didnt get those rings solo either and the rings he did get, he got during a time when the nba didnt really have much for competition
@Trenton Ghorley I think Lebron has accomplished more but I appreciate Steph more as an “outlier” having his success at his size, but when you look at some of the teams Lebron carried on his back to a finals appearance it’s insane
@Ian Rotheroe True, I cant argue with that logic. Curry had help on the road to success. I still feel he was the biggest difference maker in the last 20 years besides maybe Lebron, but even then I cant give it to either one. Lebron bouncing all over the place chasing rings is ugly
@Trenton Ghorley look up his numbers before and after Kerr, Klay, Draymond, and when he was there Durant arrived, the league as a whole changed when the Warriors super team was assembled. Curry since then has been great but all I’m saying is it’s worth noting how much the Warriors organization has put around him to make him as great as possible, along with the landscape of the league changing. If Ai and Nash played in this era and Curry back then, we’d be having a very different conversation
@Ian Rotheroe He changed the entire game and how its played...only a few players have done that
Good vid, as always. Interesting to see the changes through the generations. Statistically all these current lads are "better" than past players etc. with the comparison of defences in different eras, plus just knowing the players in different eras, it still doesn't change that those top-tier players of the past would have dominated in a scary way in today's league. Imagine, just imagine Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Bird or MJ with today's training regimes, rules and "defence"... Would trample the league in any era
Would love to see a video of how defense has become stale or become worse over the years due to rule changes and lack of emphasis to improve on that side of the ball individually.
Made A whole video to explain David Stern removing defense from the NBA.
it is not the defense that makes it a shooters league, they became more volume and efficient shooters. Did you watch those games on 80's and 90's, most of the time they were open on the midrange and yet they cannot hit it and you gonna say it was because of the defense of that era, i don't think so. As explained on this video those who can shoot on that era became specialist only, they were spot up shooters, they were not part of the regular play unlike now.
Man, I love seeing a good 3-pointer. In one shot you can see the culmination of skill, good fundamentals, and practice. I love when a shooter steps back behind the line, sets their feet, and you can see the energy transfer from their toes to their fingertips just right. It's a thing of beauty 🤌🏾
I’ve been watching this man since I was 13. Since he was playing 1v1 with his girlfriend type, and he was talking about the best high school teams. This man keeps getting better at this PLclip game every day and he deserves all the success he gets. Much love Jimmy, your videos have gotten so good I can’t even miss one without feeling like I missed the premiere of a new episode to my favorite show😭😭
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This is why ESPN is dying, content like this is just superior in every way
NBA has to let the players play defense.
Bring back the big men!
Great video yet again Jimmy. I would personally love to hear your take on the NBA refereeing "problem" people are talking about today. Is there really one and if so, in what sense? As some top players have alluded to on social media, are NBA refs today too "sensitive" and make too many "soft" calls? Has there been any acknowledgment of it by the NBA and where do their interests lie? What can feasibly be done about it?
It’s scary how amazing Steph Curry still is. In a game full of shooters, he’s still the best shooter today. You can replicate him, but you can never duplicate him.
Can you please make vids analyzing the NFL as well? I feel like the changes going on, and the performances of a few great players, are just as historic and noteworthy.
Videos like these really validate how much of an impact Steph Curry alone had on the game of basketball
I want to see Jimmy make a video about nowadays defense compared to old school, also players impact on both defense and offense. I'm in my 20s but I enjoy the 90s and early 2000 basketball more than now. I grew up watching and playing ball but I can't watch a whole game anymore, It's all about stats and individualism now. The last time I enjoyed a whole was 2016 finals.
Absolutely amazing video Jimmy! I wanted to ask now that you’ve made a video about the impact of the 3-pointer and the efficiency of shooters skyrocketing in the NBA, what you think about Bol Bol’s recent performances this season? I know it might seem kind of odd seeing he’s a big man but his shooting beyond the arc is a thing of beauty.
I was wondering if you would consider making a video about him and his otherworldly shooting (for a big man).
I wanted to repeat: amazing video! Great quality content as always!
God bless you, I hope you have a blessed Christmas.
I have to say this is one of the rare videos from you where I kind of don't really feel it's right. I think the way basketball is played has huge responsibility in that change too. Since rules give way better situation to offense to shoot and physical defense is banned, you have to fight less for your shot and your points and you probably are less beaten/tired when shooting (including free throws). By the way it's funny to see Larry Bird with some blood on the jersey to illustrate him on free throw line. It's true players work way way more on their 3pts shots than in the past, it's the biggest today asset so they are better, event "bigs". But it's more a focus because the rest is depreciated and basketball is less and less balanced. One real good example of the change is when you watch Derek Harper defense on Kenny Smith in 94 and after that when you were not authorized to hand check the player in D on the PG anymore. Then from then, to make NBA more entertaining, they've changed the rules more and more to penalize defense from stopping scores. So for me it seems unfair to really compare like that. You know you shoot better when you don't have to run before, you know you shoot better when you don't have to defend 24 seconds before, you know you shoot better when you don't get hit/touched all the time by your defender before/during your shot.
Im a hockey fan but i love watching jimmy’s videos there so entertaining and give me so much info on basketball. I wanted to ask jimmy if he sees this (which he probably will not) what are your rankings on players without all the awards and chips just playing ability?
Said it before: when a guard (hell anyone, now) can come down and *consistently* hit 3s, he is as dominant as any big who's roamed the hardwood. This truly is skill evolution.
Also, it's good to see the numbers bear out the eye test. It's a different game, and our understanding should be changing long with it, something I know is difficult for many.
It's 2023. We can't look at the game in terms of pre-merger or postmerger eyes anymore. This is postmodern basketball, if ever there were such a thing. As the game has evolved, so , too, should our understanding of it.
I love your videos !
Jimmy, every single one of your videos gives me chills, they're somehow inspirational and just mind-boggling.
Awesome job once again my man. I do wonder though, how much impact are the rule changes in the modern games having with the increase of points and shooting. I feel that the refs are not calling the travel/carry/stepback3 as much as they did in the past. So now, shooters are better at pure shooting, but the league rules are making it easy for them to have a good shot. At least thats how it seems to me. Defenders are discouraged from being tough and pesky.
Would love to see your breakdown on how the rule change from illegal defense helped change the way offenses run.
Yup..and layups and dunks will be a thing of the past
Probably not
Bro zion and giannis arent going anywhere 😂
I love it when your stats point out how great MJ really was.
@Eric you so young you don’t even know the rules back then huh? 😆 Doubles were legal my man. Triples, quadruple, five man trap. You just couldn’t zone up. Speakin of rules, heard of the Jordan Rules? MJ was doin work in paint’s full of 5 defenders knocking him to the ground on every drive out for blood. You thinkin the 80s was all 1 on 1 ball is just hilarious.
@Homo Habilis how would Steve Kerr be a better shooter than Kerr?
@Eric Lakers went 35-47 before Lebron and 37-45 after Lebron lol
@Number1KcFan MJ was taking 13 mid range attempts compared to guys taking 3 per game lol. This is like me saying Steve Kerr is a better 3pt shooter than Kerr because he has a higher % . By the way, MJ had seasons shooting over 50% from mid-rnage lol
@Mik I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers from but he shot 33% 3pt reg season/playoff and 37% 3pt in the Finals. I’m also not sure about the FORCING HIM to take 3pt shots when Zion at 6’6 takes 0.7 3pt attempts per game lol
I loved basketball as a child, and fondly remember the Sonics at their best, and still feel that loss against the Nuggets. Damn, I even remember Matumbo or whatever's facial expression from way back than. I have only recently gotten back into it, thanks to players like Curry, and its cool to see a lot of my views on how the sport is simply more exciting today based on shooting ability being validated by data. I also happen to be a behavior technician, data is our bread and butter.
One of the things I think has changed is the sport is more about finesse than aggression. Before, it was all about who can dunk the hardest and one up others, and this has thankfully changed.
This is amazing. If the NBA turns into a defensive league, I think it would be astonishing.
The HighRoller showing us this breakdown is incredible! The data is overwhelming I can't imagine how legends would even hold up to standards of today. Some for better some for worse would be interesting to see that!
Another well done video Jimmy, you never disappoint!
What makes Luka even more special is the fact that his stats improve in the Playoffs.
The Playoffs are when Defensive intensity amplify.
The reason scurry changed the game when no other shooter did is because he’s the only one who’s been the primary ball handler/decision maker for the team
What makes me even more impressed than the numbers of today's shooters in the "shooters league" is that for a couple of years.. there are certain names that are constantly on the MVP race and they have other ways to impact the game. The last time a volume shooter won the MVP award was 5 seasons ago... Than Giannis and Jokic won each twice... and THAT shows how amazing these guys are...
Honestly I really would like to see the next generation getting as good on defense as on shooting. That would be the ultimate league
As a short guy that is obsessed with basketball I love the three point shot. It allows me to come to any pick up game and impact it without size. It's the great equalizer. There's nothing like the sound of a ball swooshing through the net. When you get into that zone where you feel like you can't miss it is sublime.
@Milan954 yeah champ it is. I don't just hang out on the 3pt line the whole game and chuck up a 3 every chance I get. I'm a great passer and a great team defender. I set picks, cut to the basket, pick pockets, and can hit a jumper or floater from just about anywhere. I'm a hustler and a team leader on both sides of the floor, whether I have the ball or not. There is no denying though that being 5'6" has its limitations. The 3 point shot takes away many of the advantages taller players have against me and negates many of my disadvantages. Being good at shooting 3s forces the defense to not slack off and hang out in the paint leaving more room for my team mates to operate. The threat of my 3 allows me to better beat me defender off the dribble. In essence, my whole game flows from my ability to hit 3s whether I'm taking them or not. Ya know, kinda like Steph, just not as good.
@Milan954 and also because well.. tony is fast as fuck and his horizontal jump is very high (usually finished horizontally)
until everyone in the nba will be 6’7 and an elite 3 point shooter
i mean that's basically what the league is rn anyway...
Oh god so basically 3 point spamming is your great equalizer. Just learn how to be an actual point guard. Style your game around a Tony Parker let's say. Bros penetration and finishing was unmatched despite his size
Jxmy really does give us a documentary of history in a way that nobody else can compete with. This man is making basketball history a full on college course, not just a minor fascination. There's so much to study and learn about NBA history and this man does his research.
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11:25 the fact that 3 of the best 4 shooters mentioned were in the same team once upon a time.. These were scary times for the other teams
When you talked about the defensive side of things I was thinking dudes from the old days would put it on em that's why I think people from the old days would still be good because they knew what defense was it could be perimeter or interior they would clamp them up block so don't say people were plumbers when they knew the game was physical and not shooting like now days
It’s cool to see the game evolving towards this. Back in my hopping days in rec league and high school I used to shoot a high volume of 3s compared to the average kid. My coaches thought I was crazy until they saw it going in at 25-40% rate. I was always conflicted by the old stigma against 3 pt shooting but turns out the data is proving that 50% points bonus going from a 2 to a 3 is no joke
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Watching the western conference finals last year was some of the worst interior defense I’ve ever witnessed. Players were just waltzing down the lane and barely being contested. The shooters today certainly have honed their craft - yes - but you’re not placing it in the context of rules and refereeing that favors the offensive player to a level I’ve never seen before, allowing them more room to create their shot through allowing more traveling, palming, and less contact overall from the defensive player. It shouldn’t be easier to score under the NBA rules than it is in FIBA, yet it is. It doesn’t invalidate your video, but it does mean it’s conclusions need to be taken with more than a grain of salt.
Bring back the hand check and allow more contact and watch those efficiency ratings drop like a rock. People are getting bored of only offensive basketball. There's a reason why the 90's are regarded has the best NBA decade. Not overly brutal, a balance between the offense and defensive flows and some of the best artists the game has ever seen.
I have a theory that hand-checking might actually reduce injuries... and would give defenders something worth watching.
With hand-checking both the offense and the defense know where the players are. In the modern era, offense is largely left alone while defenders try and grab the ball, leading to a lot of uncontrolled movement. With hand-checking, the defender knows where the offense is and can adjust their position accordingly, with the offense at least having awareness of their defender when they land or drive.
Honestly though, it's likely more the lackluster "strength" and conditioning routines.
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i love watching these videos every time, because they are broken down so well
I remember when this was a brand new thing! The Chicago Bulls were killing it and I remember looking at some of the earliest charts especially for the Bulls.
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this video has showed me th importance of context when looking at stats. all these stats sown great but when they are give while minimizing the context around the stats it makes me feel a bit dirty. i dont agree with the older heads that the newer players wouldn't survive in the league back then, as to me the reason the defense is so soft is not because the players are bad at defense or are soft in them selves, but because the players aren't allowed to play hard defense. i think the stats are getting better simply because that is what happens with time things improve when you already have a bases to work off. Training improvement, nutrition improvements, style of play changes hell even rule reinforcement changes aside i think you would still see the stats improve.
i think its not right to use "stats" to shit on the skills of past players because its not that players themselves where less talented of less innately skilled than the ones today
its simply progress of time and of course the focus on offense.
Personally i think steph curry played say during the time of Larry and vice versa, Larry may not reach the point steph is today but it would be steph who you would show as the best shooter at the time is only the 8 best shooter of today's league because of stats.
I'm 22 i have no attachment to these older players hell almost all my favorite players ever are playing the game right now. I just think that when you dont look at context and only look at what it says on the paper, it can give a very incorrect look on the happenings of reality.
Great video and analysis. Hard to believe, though, that you make no mention of the softening of the defensive rules, hand checking, etc. Shooters can shoot now because they aren't getting blasted every time they come off a screen.
How do you just blow past and not mention the ridiculousness of Curry's attempts and % where he has the highest % with more than 4 attempts per game more than the next highest 😂 best shooter of all time
He was KD’s 2nd option
Could you do a vid breaking down the era with the highest density of DEFENSIVE monsters? My guess would be the mid 1990's when the big men dominated. Shaq, Mutombo, Robinson, Duncan, Olojowan ... so many shot blockers. Not even mentioning rebounding monsters like Rodman and steals leaders like Payton and Jordan. That was a time to be a teenage NBA fan.
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Jimmy I really hope you see this and talk about it. I honestly think with all this evolution you’re showing us about the nba it would be insane to not have lebron as the goat because he was able to adapt and in my opinion MJ would be DeRozan or Kawahi in todays nba
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Honestly as much as the offensive schemes have advanced and as much as players have trained to shoot the defense has equally declined. Removing hand checking, the excessive “shooter sweep” fouls and the rapid whistle for even a touch has gotten WAY out of control also in the last 5-7 years as well. The NBA wanted to speed the game up and create ratings which has evolved the game. But the defense has devolved just as much.
Why are your videos so great? Their all so well written I swear. Persuasive and intelligent good job man
it is hard to know how you keep putting out such high quality content... so so good.
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Dude great video. Can you do one now on Steals and Blocks. I'd be interested in seeing the comparison through generations. I think there might have been better defense back in the day.
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Yo jxmy, imma need a video on Luka’s 60 point triple double, I need to know the game score of that and where that game ranks in nba history
I been saying it. Put modern nba all stars in the 90’s and mj’s a benchwarmer
Um, no.
Yep
It is a shooter's league they should call fouls on three pts as much as they call on drives
Jimmy do you think it would be a good idea to revisit the mvp race & do an update video?
I do appreciate the acknowledgement of the issue of defensive effort (and video effort), however, if you look at NBA rule changes over the past few years, the rules don't seem to allow you to play good defense compared to previous eras. I.e. late 80's to late 90's. A one-to-one comp in terms of defense can be risky.
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This is so TRUE it scares me and my Golden State Warriors' chances this season. I feel like this should be our only secret weapon - Stephen Curry
0:15 I believe the jump in Kobe's % of 3P FGA jumped in his last season was a result of minimizing injury. However, watching games from that season I felt his best FGA came from the midrange and/or low block. However, it's possible that his legs and longer defenders made it difficult for him to shoot over them.
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Omg, I barely started the video and I love it. My guy. I have been trying to explain to people why shooting has changed the game, for the better in my opinion, and the way defenses can play. I grew up watching ball in the 90s and I can tell you most of the teams playing today could not be guarded by even the best defenses back then. Shooting just spreads the floor too much compared to what they were having to guard back then. These guys are still crazy athletes too so the close outs just leave guys hanging out in no mans land.
You are in a league of your own with these NBA analysis videos. The charts, graphs, the math.. you’re my favorite NBA PLclipr by far. Please don’t ever stop doing this 🔥
@Levi bhe still hits diff today, I hope he does more story vids on players journey to the league and those “what if” vids
Mike korzemba back in the day hit different
jimmy needs his own show on espn
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completely agree, and on top of that his presentation is top tier too
That's crazy, curry and durant were both averaging 90 percent from free throw this season and in 2013. I know they are good at free throws but they are really consistent.
The production value on this channel is insane. These are some fantastically made videos.
This is simply the Stephen curry effect. He alone revolutionized the game forever
Man, your videos are always so damn good. Merry xmas and or whatever you are into my dude. Appreciate the work.